Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

Also, riddle me this:

How can Jura, supposedly the manifestation of the weak Ten Tails that Code had captured, is able to easily cut off a No-Limiter Code who is supposed to be above Jigen at bare minimum?

Because just like in Naruto, the Ten-Tails itself doesn’t have full control of its power. It’s literally the same reason why Juubito and Six Paths Madara are > The Juubi by itself.

Higher level of sentience = Higher level of “Chakra Control” = Higher Power Output.

When do we just accept that Boruto's scaling makes no sense and stop trying to apply logic to it?

When you have legitimate arguments. What you said before is Naruto 101.

Like Rinnegone Sasuke should literally be fodder but still somehow cut out Code's eye.

Code was in Base, not using Karma. Obviously Base Code is > Rinnegone Sasuke, but NOT* enough for Sasuke to be considered fodder w/o using Karma.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah, the evolution that involved no power development nor training nor any outside force adding to the power of the Divine Tree creatures.

That's not an explanation. Nothing gave the Divine Tree monsters any more power, they're simply the Ten Tails' Chakra separated.

Don't even get me started on a Baby Kurama somehow not instantly dying to Jura.

you can have a form that makes better use of your powers

simple, not everything requires immense mental gymnastics

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Also, I just want to say, it’s kinda rude to insult the work Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, etc have put into fixing these profiles and whatnot. Naruto on wiki is not in a bad spot at all. In fact I’d say the profiles, far from perfect, are blatantly just doing better and of higher quality than they were years ago (same with Bleach, work there is far from over too). Put some respect on the goats revising this verse

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

samlex could never match this kind of peak

Nothing

Nevermind this verse is hated.

vsbattles.com

the edit is sending me lmaooo
i can understand how bro felt

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Also, I just want to say, it’s kinda rude to insult the work Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, etc have put into fixing these profiles and whatnot. Naruto on wiki is not in a bad spot at all. In fact I’d say the profiles, far from perfect, are blatantly just doing better and of higher quality than they were years ago (same with Bleach, work there is far from over too). Put some respect on the goats revising this verse

Nah.

Let the conversation burn!

 

[karo_senpaii]

According to Boruto, it was Code's Chakra via the Claw Grimes per Chapter 6.

Not the Karma.

And I am correcting you, Boruto states its Code's Chakra via the Claw Grime.

I believe you misinterpreted the scene, Boruto directly states what triggered the evolution was Code's own Chakra via the Claw Grimes.

Karma doesn't affect the Divine Trees, Boruto states that Karma affects Code and Codes Chakra is what affected the Divine Tree.

Exactly, they're fighting a weaker Ten Tails.

Sasuke confirms in Chapter 38 of Boruto that it's a "juvenile" Ten Tails as it's much smaller than their own Ten Tails they faced.

Uhh, yes it was?

Chapter 72 of Boruto, Code confirms the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tail's Chakra divided.

Am I the only one who reads this manga, please we are literally told the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tails' Chakra divided.

In Boruto Two Vortex Chapter 5 we are then told by Eida that the Divine Trees are simply the Chakra of the Claw Grimes (the divided Ten Tails' Chakra) and the Chakra of the devoured target:

Read above, the Divine Trees are made from Code's Chakra (per Boruto's statement), the Ten Tails' Chakra (per Code's statement and actions), and the Devoured Target's Chakra (per Eida's statement).

Per Jura's own statement, they did not evolve out of power nor Chakra, they evolved out of self-awareness thanks to Code giving it to them through his Chakra:

Seriously, are any of you reading this manga because this is all directly stated to us.

Bleach is fine, Arc is doing very well. Can't say the same here.

I pretty much addressed your entire rebuttal with evidence.

See, I actually like and appreciate this analogy, but unfortunately this is disproven in the series.

We know Juubito has more Chakra and potency than the Juubi with Madara being even more superior.

Sasuke then confirms for us that Kaguya far surpassed Madara.

You can see where the train is going.

Naruto has, not Kurama. Kurama is still a Bijuu that revives as seen with Himawari

These are wild baseless claims.

1. Don't know what you were reading coz boruto word for word mentioned ishikki karma as an important factor.

2. You are actually not just reading what shadow said. Like fr bro he is saying he nor the series never claims they are the sum of code fulls chakra and 10 tails. Like they are the sum of 10 tail but not code.

3. No we actually don't know juubito has more chakra than the juubi. Please drop scans. Madara has a statement for stronger sage energy coz he had a more complete version. Like I'm not disputing more chakra gives you more ap I'm just saying when you form a jutsu you use a percentage of your chakra. So for example someone with 20% of your chakra could still output as much ap as you howbeit less stamina. And code definitely doesn't have more chakra than the 10 tails.
More examples momo has less chakra than narto but just about same potency.

4. Did I say he is no longer a bijuu? He has feats as good as the 10 tails and has clearly come in contact with six pat chakra and we have been given example of how bijuu and jinjuriki can alter each other if they cohabitate for a long time.. it's not hard to put the pieces together

5. Ah yes the whole momoshiki arc of kurama being the chakra he needs to plant his own god tree is just one big head canon


This is becoming a case of the justification are staring at you but you just don't like it so you call it ass and refuse to invalidate it. I'm not gonna confuse you. Call it ass, you're free

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Also, I just want to say, it’s kinda rude to insult the work Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, etc have put into fixing these profiles and whatnot. Naruto on wiki is not in a bad spot at all. In fact I’d say the profiles, far from perfect, are blatantly just doing better and of higher quality than they were years ago (same with Bleach, work there is far from over too). Put some respect on the goats revising this verse

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Wrath's the one who should be praised since he's got all of them (Slayer, Tracer, Nierre, Shadow, Net, and more) locked in his basement working on CRTs

 

[KaydeeX]

“Are any of you reading this manga” I respect you as a Naruto OG and all but attempting to dog**** on our faces and the work put in like we don’t know what we’re doing is extremely insulting.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

where did alt go? i thought he was gonna do low 2-C naruto

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

where did alt go? i thought he was gonna do low 2-C naruto

he's one of the people in the basement that spoke too much and as a result became permanently imprisoned while Slayer, net and others get to come outside for air and water once a day

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

where did alt go? i thought he was gonna do low 2-C naruto

Realized the RtN arguments were ass

 

[SlendVeny]

Deceived and Arcker and Bastalon and ReaperandBlues are my Squad 0 rn

This canonically makes me Ganju, or maybe some fodder below him, like Aizen

 

[Damage3245]

Deceived and Arcker and Bastalon and ReaperandBlues are my Squad 0 rn

Got me feeling like Yhwach.

 

[SlendVeny]

Got me feeling like Yhwach.

Yhwach would be banned off here for violating the alt account rules.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

According to Boruto, it was Code's Chakra via the Claw Grimes per Chapter 6.

Not the Karma.

"having some effect"

And I am correcting you, Boruto states its Code's Chakra via the Claw Grime.

I believe you misinterpreted the scene, Boruto directly states what triggered the evolution was Code's own Chakra via the Claw Grimes.

It Does per the scan

Karma doesn't affect the Divine Trees, Boruto states that Karma affects Code and Codes Chakra is what affected the Divine Tree.

Imade i don't want to point the very big obvious thing here, but i want you to read this and your following reply a few times over and see if you spot anything

Exactly, they're fighting a weaker Ten Tails.

that's evolved, so whats your point?

Sasuke confirms in Chapter 38 of Boruto that it's a "juvenile" Ten Tails as it's much smaller than their own Ten Tails they faced.

and?

Uhh, yes it was?

Chapter 72 of Boruto, Code confirms the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tail's Chakra divided.
Am I the only one who reads this manga, please we are literally told the Claw Grimes are simply the Ten Tails' Chakra divided.

are you being intentionally obtuse? you realize this entire argument relies on the fact that the ten tails didn't evolve? or are you going to tell me a fully grown adult is the same as a fetus?

In Boruto Two Vortex Chapter 5 we are then told by Eida that the Divine Trees are simply the Chakra of the Claw Grimes (the divided Ten Tails' Chakra) and the Chakra of the devoured target:

no thats not what she says?, she says that those are the things that contributed to the creation of the shinju, that being the genetic make up has nothing to do with how powerful they are.

Read above, the Divine Trees are made from Code's Chakra (per Boruto's statement), the Ten Tails' Chakra (per Code's statement and actions), and the Devoured Target's Chakra (per Eida's statement).

yes and then the karma is added onto that per the scan above, your just proving my point, that you seriously believe that the characters power is like a static rpg level that you can combine to get a value,thats not how any of this works, stop treating it like a dragonball Z fusion. this is even more bizarre coming from your part when you were the first to point out that characters fusing like momoshiki and kinshiki shouldnt inherently double their speed yet here you are using the same rhetoric as a means to create a ceiling, also what happened to the "theres no chakra involved its just hax" from earlier, has the goalpost shifted or did you actually go back and read the panel that was right below the one you cherry picked earlier.

ontop of that your just straight up wrong about Jura as later explained by Boruto his the ten tails itself not the clawgrimes.

Per Jura's own statement, they did not evolve out of power nor Chakra, they evolved out of self-awareness thanks to Code giving it to them through his Chakra:

"they did not evolve out of power nor Chakra, they evolved out of self-awareness thanks to Code giving it to them through his Chakra"

read your replies again

Seriously, are any of you reading this manga because this is all directly stated to us.

none of our takes did a 180 in a span of a single reply, so i wonder.

Can't say the same here.

its significantly easier to take pot shots from a forum than it is to actually put in the effort of collaborating with the community to make meaningful changes

 

[MinatoSparkle]

By the way, I saw a scan after Hiruzen's CRT was closed. In a poster introducing the characters in the anime, Hiruzen is said to be "the strongest of his clan". You said that Konohamaru's words in my CRT were that Hiruzen doesn't know how strong his prime form is. Can we use the poster released by the studio as evidence and say Prime Hiruzen>Pre Timeskip Adult Konohamaru?

Of course, this form of Konohamaru and Hiruzen are also referred to as 6-C, but at least if Pre TBV Konohamaru rises in the future, this can also raise Hiruzen.

Seems fine, although is the statement for the manga or anime?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Seems fine, although is the statement for the manga or anime?

Manga judging by the art style, but I'm actually unsure where this is from. So take it with a grain of salt for now.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Manga judging by the art style, but I'm actually unsure where this is from. So take it with a grain of salt for now.

Google says it's from Konoha Shinden

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

On sale on Ebay with some images

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I once used ebay to powerscale RTN
fun times

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I once read through an entire bizarre doujinshi series to help a friend powerscale a character from it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

On sale on Ebay with some images

Seems legit

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I once read through an entire bizarre doujinshi series to help a friend powerscale a character from it.

Shadow and his friend:

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Seems legit

What do some of the pages say?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Shadow and his friend:

Shadow's missing some tentacles, a few dozens eyes, and an ooey gooey dark aura.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Shadow and his friend:

Bro your meme bag is crazy deep

 

[MinatoSparkle]

What do some of the pages say?

Which?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Which?

All of them

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So it’s fair to say Base Boruto is = to Base Code physically based on these interactions:

• Scans 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Bro your meme bag is crazy deep

 

[MinatoSparkle]

All of them

Do you mean the novel pages too

So it’s fair to say Base Boruto is = to Base Code physically based on these interactions:

• Scans 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6

There's probably not a huge difference but you could say Boruto was holding back in their initial fight

 

[KingogKings777]

Deceived and Arcker and Bastalon and ReaperandBlues are my Squad 0 rn

Damn

 

[KingogKings777]

"having some effect"

What is it?

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Do you mean the novel pages too

There's probably not a huge difference but you could say Boruto was holding back in their initial fight

It’s sad that we’re probably not going to get a legit scaling chain for Limited Kawaki before he gets his limiters off. Rn the most he can get in regard to valuation is a, “Stronger than before”…

They’ll probably use Daemon to showcase his strength Post-Limiters.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It’s sad that we’re probably not going to get a legit scaling chain for Limited Kawaki before he gets his limiters off. Rn the most he can get in regard to valuation is a, “Stronger than before”…

They’ll probably use Daemon to showcase his strength Post-Limiters.

He'll make Daemon use 10% of his power

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

He'll make Daemon use 10% of his power

0.1%*

 

[MinatoSparkle]

0.1%*

Daemon will say he used 10% of his power then Eida will make this correction

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Daemon will say he used 10% of his power then Eida will make this correction

And then after one billion power-ups, Kawaki and Boruto will still be nowhere near the goat's power, Beerus style

 

[KaydeeX]

Drum rollss!

In a timeless, distinct dimension, Naruto drifted, suspended and unconscious. Suddenly, Jura, a malevolent Shinjū clad in rags, emerged, eyes fixed on the Hokage. Before Jura could strike, Kawaki burst into the dimension, his limiter seals removed and Kama mark blazing.

“Back off,” Kawaki growled, standing between Naruto and Jura.

Jura sneered and launched mini bombs, but Kawaki deflected them with raw power. The two clashed fiercely, Kawaki's unrestrained strength warping space itself as Jura countered with more blasts. With Naruto left unconscious and unaware, Kawaki fought on, with the hope of escaping his L streak.