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I really want to see Boruto use a Ranged Slash attack. Uzuhiko sword swings would also be crazy…
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Well, he has Wind Style, so he could.I really want to see Boruto use a Ranged Slash attack. Uzuhiko sword swings would also be crazy…
Lol I don't think many here even know about me, I don't see familiar names since the ol' Bleach vs Naruto days with CRTs every week to downgrade each other.
"how can I be different today"So we can all agree that Ryu’s got the worse design of all shinjus so far
hills on lizards is something that shouldn’t exist even as a thought
People say they want crazy and unique designs, but when a dripped-up king with hand-feet in the fingerless heels pulls up and fodderizes the last part's final villain, suddenly it's too much.So we can all agree that Ryu’s got the worse design of all shinjus so far
hills on lizards is something that shouldn’t exist even as a thought
Also, riddle me this:Rinnegone Sasuke scaling to Borushiki or not, how they compare to Code, etc etc.
Evolution = stronger, easy.Also, riddle me this:
How can Jura, supposedly the manifestation of the weak Ten Tails that Code had captured, is able to easily cut off a No-Limiter Code who is supposed to be above Jigen at bare minimum?
Yeah, the evolution that involved no power development nor training nor any outside force adding to the power of the Divine Tree creatures.Evolution = stronger, easy.
Evolution = stronger.Yeah, the evolution that involved no power development nor training nor any outside force adding to the power of the Divine Tree creatures.
That's not an explanation. Nothing gave the Divine Tree monsters any more power, they're simply the Ten Tails' Chakra separated.
You're not gonna like my explanation lol.Don't even get me started on a Baby Kurama somehow not instantly dying to Jura.
The Shinju are straight up stated to have been made not only from the ten tails but the effect of Code's karma, also im not really sure what your point about evolution needing training or power development, those are not prerequisites for evolution like at all, the outside factors that contributed to their evolution was stated to be the Karma.Also, riddle me this:
How can Jura, supposedly the manifestation of the weak Ten Tails that Code had captured,
1. Who says It's weakAlso, riddle me this:
How can Jura, supposedly the manifestation of the weak Ten Tails that Code had captured, is able to easily cut off a No-Limiter Code who is supposed to be above Jigen at bare minimum?
When do we just accept that Boruto's scaling makes no sense and stop trying to apply logic to it? Like Rinnegone Sasuke should literally be fodder but still somehow cut out Code's eye.
There's no logic to any of this.
I know somewhere you imagined baby kurama is weaker coz his form changed.Don't even get me started on a Baby Kurama somehow not instantly dying to Jura.
Plus, Sasuke literally had an apprentice helping him fight.3. I'm not sure where you saw rinnengon sasuke scaling code. We saw a flash back, no information on the flash back and then we like allowed it rest.
The jigen in question with the right move set can be damaged by Sasuke before he lost his rinnenganPlus, Sasuke literally had an apprentice helping him fight.
And he's a slashing merchant, pierce damage > normal damage.
Lmao yeahPeople say they want crazy and unique designs, but when a dripped-up king with hand-feet in the fingerless heels pulls up and fodderizes the last part's final villain, suddenly it's too much.
The central argument of the 2-page debate earlier is to establish that base NL Code doesn’t necessarily scale to Jigen, and any evidence suggesting that he is superior to Jigen can actually be interpreted as referring to his WK state. This distinction iis important because it undermines the assumption that base NL Code is definitively above Jigen. Instead, a stronger case can be made for base NL Code being above Sasuke, since that claim is supported by more solid evidence. Consequently, Sasuke does not scale to base NL Code. Rather, base NL Code scales to Sasuke, and it is only WK Code that’s above JigenWhen do we just accept that Boruto's scaling makes no sense and stop trying to apply logic to it? Like Rinnegone Sasuke should literally be fodder but still somehow cut out Code's eye.
There's no logic to any of this.
It’s not like he has Code chakra along side residing in a perfect host which can perfectly control both chakra induced in him better than a rampaging beast. Yeah, it makes no sense he got strongerHow can Jura, supposedly the manifestation of the weak Ten Tails that Code had captured, is able to easily cut off a No-Limiter Code who is supposed to be above Jigen at bare minimum?
If I said I've been wondering about this since 2021...Question: is Anko with her nipples out all the time with only her jacket covering them?
you both coomersIf I said I've been wondering about this since 2021...
Again, you can say this all you want, but you need evidence to back it up as well that proves the evolution came with a power up.Evolution = stronger.
Receiving Chakra from weak Boruto era characters does not make you above the likes of Code who is hyped to be above the God Tiers or Naruto.Jigen ****** around, Code ****** around, they received the chakra of multiple people, including Moegi, Bug, and Sasuke, and with the combination of Sasuke's chakra, that of 2 fodders, and residual Otsutsuki shit or whatever, plus the fact that they ascended to the next stage of development, they got stronger.
This was already disproven in the War Arc when we saw a Juubi Jinchuriki who is in full control of the Juubi'e ChakraYou can also argue that the Juubi is WAY weaker due to having shit chakra control, and now it's got much more chakra control compressed into a smaller body.
If you're using logic like this, definitely won't.You're not gonna like my explanation lol.
Code's ability doesn't empower his targets. All he did was use his claws to physically divide the Juubi'e Chakra into separate pieces.The Shinju are straight up stated to have been made not only from the ten tails but the effect of Code's karma, also im not really sure what your point about evolution needing training or power development, those are not prerequisites for evolution like at all, the outside factors that contributed to their evolution was stated to be the Karma.
They're made from a weakened Juubi.Who says It's weak
Isshiki never gave Chakra to the Juubi, he took Chakra from it.It's a 10 tails evolved by both the essence of ishikki chakra
If you read what Boruto describes in Chapter 6 of Twin Vortex, you'd know that Boruto explicitly mentions that the evolution involves the affinity with the Claw Grime which draws several points:codes chakra
Code said Sasuke cut out his eyes.I'm not sure where you saw rinnengon sasuke scaling code. We saw a flash back, no information on the flash back and then we like allowed it rest.
Kurama is not a wildcard. He has a finite Chakra which is why he died when he ran out with Baryon Mode.I know somewhere you imagined baby kurama is weaker coz his form changed.
Kurama is actually a wild card.
Read above.It’s not like he has Code chakra along side residing in a perfect host which can perfectly control both chakra induced in him better than a rampaging beast. Yeah, it makes no sense he got stronger
I never said Code's clawmarks empower his targets i said his karma influenced the evolution of the shinju.Code's ability doesn't empower his targets. All he did was use his claws to physically divide the Juubi'e Chakra into separate pieces.
stop strawmanning, i never once said Code imparted a specific value of chakra to amplify them, i said that karma was responsible for their evolution, which isnt an argument of us having to assume anything, its a fact its straight said verbatim that Code's chakra and his karma which is the essence of an Otsutsuki are the likely cause.Even if we're to assume that Code imparted a fraction of his Chakra into each individual Claw Grime, that would still make a product far inferior to himself
how is this relevant?, they not fighting the same ten tails.
This was a weakened Juubi, a Juubi is inferior to God Tier Naruto characters post Juubito as we saw. Code scales far above characters that make Juubito look like an ant.
no offense this is some really bad 2010's era powerscaling brain rot, nowhere have I or the series stated that that the power of the shinju are the sum whole of code's chakra and the base ten tails, there's a very clear difference in saying these are the circumstances that caused accelerated development and saying these characters are solely empowered by these things, they not. thats conflating some weird pseduo fusion with evolution. stop conflating chakra and most importantly karma as some weird rpg mechanic thats 10+10, when karma can increase your power a thousand fold without increasing your chakra reserves at all.It Code were to somehow impart a tenth of his Chakra it still wouldn't add up to being superior to himself.
with the most bullet proof evidence, that of which is self evident.Again with the "evolution", what evidence of evolution do you have that demonstrates a reasonable power up? How do you prove a weakened Juubi, inferior to Juubito from the War Arc, somehow develops and powers itself up to be orders of magnitude more powerful than characters that eclipsed it before?
quote me saying Code's clawsDon't just say, "Code's Claws" without reasonable proof it passes along Chakra despite being a hax ability.
that hill level verse? boring@IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 bro stick to bleach
not everything is about power scaling man...that hill level verse? boring
Holy yap fest . Alright let's go.Again, you can say this all you want, but you need evidence to back it up as well that proves the evolution came with a power up.
For being gone for 4 years, I genuinely thought the level of debating and interpretation would've improved here after how badly Naruto was hit with downgrades from 2016-2020.
Receiving Chakra from weak Boruto era characters does not make you above the likes of Code who is hyped to be above the God Tiers or Naruto.
2+2 =/= 100 for instance
This was already disproven in the War Arc when we saw a Juubi Jinchuriki who is in full control of the Juubi'e Chakra
Think for a second, man.
If you're using logic like this, definitely won't.
Code's ability doesn't empower his targets. All he did was use his claws to physically divide the Juubi'e Chakra into separate pieces.
Even if we're to assume that Code imparted a fraction of his Chakra into each individual Claw Grime, that would still make a product far inferior to himself.
This was a weakened Juubi, a Juubi is inferior to God Tier Naruto characters post Juubito as we saw. Code scales far above characters that make Juubito look like an ant.
It Code were to somehow impart a tenth of his Chakra it still wouldn't add up to being superior to himself.
Again with the "evolution", what evidence of evolution do you have that demonstrates a reasonable power up? How do you prove a weakened Juubi, inferior to Juubito from the War Arc, somehow develops and powers itself up to be orders of magnitude more powerful than characters that eclipsed it before?
Don't just say, "Code's Claws" without reasonable proof it passes along Chakra despite being a hax ability.
They're made from a weakened Juubi.
A nearly full power Juubi is inferior to EoS Naruto characters as we saw with Juubi Jinchuriki characters of the War Arc.
Isshiki never gave Chakra to the Juubi, he took Chakra from it.
If you read what Boruto describes in Chapter 6 of Twin Vortex, you'd know that Boruto explicitly mentions that the evolution involves the affinity with the Claw Grime which draws several points:
1) Even if we assume that Code imparted some Chakra through the Claw Grime, Code didn't give them all his Chakra obviously as it would simply be a miniscule fraction.
2) A fraction wouldn't let them be superior to himself when a weakened Juubi is fodder to EoS God Tiers as a superior Juubi in the Juubi Jinchurikis of the War Arc are far inferior to Jigen who is inferior to Code.
- This is like saying 2 + 20 is superior to 100 for example.
3) The Claw Grimes don't impart Chakra nor contain Chakra as they couldn't even be detected by Sensory Unit Ninja. We saw that Code literally put one on Shikamaru's neck and it was never detected by the Sensory Unit. Thus it has no Chakra to impart.
4) Per Chapter 5 when Eida uses the Senrigan to see the Divine Trees, we are literally told they are simply made from the Chakra of those devoured plus part of the Chakra from the Juubi.
- Assign numerical values to better understand. Let's say the Juubi has a Chakra value of 100 and the Divine Trees all got a 10th of its Chakra. Let's say from the fodder character they devoured they got 1 Chakra value (there's no way that Bug is equal to hundredth of the Juubi but let's pretend). Now we know that Code is superior to the Juubi by a long shot, but let's pretend Code is only 2 times the Juubi. So Code is 200 and gave a fraction of his Chakra to the Claw Grimes (arguably less since Code isn't weaker by any amount) which could be a hundredth of his Chakra (so 2). That would mean a Divine Tree is 2 + 1 + 10 for each Divine Tree, yet we're to somehow pretend that they are superior to Code despite being at best a fraction of his Chakra, a fraction of the Juubi, and the devoured host's Chakra.
- Same logic, fodder Chakra + a fraction of the Juubi's Chakra doesn't equate to being even equivalent to a full power Juubi.
- Let's make the assumption Code added some of his own Chakra, that still wouldn't make these Divine Trees superior to himself as we saw with Jura.
That's where the logic fails and no amount of "evolution" just hand waives this inconsistency especially when you got Sarada putting Hidari on his ass with a simple Chidori.
Plus, from Jura's own words, their evolution is simply gaining self-awareness per Chapters 4 and 5, nothing about power.
The only mention of Chakra is from Boruto in Chapter 6 referencing how it MAY have to do with Code's Chakra triggering their evolution. Nothing to do with power or strength as we know through Jura their evolution is simply gaining self-awareness.
Code said Sasuke cut out his eyes.
Kurama is not a wildcard. He has a finite Chakra which is why he died when he ran out with Baryon Mode.
As we know through lore and Hagoromo, Kurama himself is a fraction of the Juubi's full Chakra.
Read above.
Pretty sure he's just joking. Hill level Bleach is a known meme.not everything is about power scaling man...
you lost all your aura from that message
It’s pretty basic that in Naruto 2+2 doesn’t always equal 4. There are situations where combining two abilities creates something far greater than the sum of their individual powers. For example, techniques like Majestic Attire Susano’o, Fused Momoshiki’s strength, or Naruto’s Baryon Mode are on a whole different level compared to the sum of the separate powers they originate from.Again, you can say this all you want, but you need evidence to back it up as well that proves the evolution came with a power up.
For being gone for 4 years, I genuinely thought the level of debating and interpretation would've improved here after how badly Naruto was hit with downgrades from 2016-2020.
You can’t even compare the Ten-Tails from the war arc to a fully complete version. The Ten-Tails in the war arc was only in its third form and still incomplete. If it were as complete as you suggest, then Juubito would be Low 5-B.This was already disproven in the War Arc when we saw a Juubi Jinchuriki who is in full control of the Juubi'e Chakra
Think for a second, man.
not a bad nameTwin Vortex
Multihillversal+
Pretty sure he's just joking. Hill level Bleach is a known meme.
According to Boruto, it was Code's Chakra via the Claw Grimes per Chapter 6.I never said Code's clawmarks empower his targets i said his karma influenced the evolution of the shinju.
And I am correcting you, Boruto states its Code's Chakra via the Claw Grime.stop strawmanning, i never once said Code imparted a specific value of chakra to amplify them, i said that karma was responsible for their evolution, which isnt an argument of us having to assume anything
I believe you misinterpreted the scene, Boruto directly states what triggered the evolution was Code's own Chakra via the Claw Grimes.its a fact its straight said verbatim that Code's chakra and his karma which is the essence of an Otsutsuki are the likely cause.
Exactly, they're fighting a weaker Ten Tails.how is this relevant?, they not fighting the same ten tails
Uhh, yes it was?nowhere have I or the series stated that that the power of the shinju are the sum whole of code's chakra and the base ten tails
Read above, the Divine Trees are made from Code's Chakra (per Boruto's statement), the Ten Tails' Chakra (per Code's statement and actions), and the Devoured Target's Chakra (per Eida's statement).karma can increase your power a thousand fold without increasing your chakra reserves at all.
Bleach is fine, Arc is doing very well. Can't say the same here.@IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 bro stick to bleach
I pretty much addressed your entire rebuttal with evidence.Holy yap fest . Alright let's go.
See, I actually like and appreciate this analogy, but unfortunately this is disproven in the series.The juubi has far more chakra than code. Code chakra is jut more potent. If code potency is 1000 and his chakra is 100 and the juubi potency is 100 with chakra of 1000 then giving him 10 of code chakra with a potency of relatively 1000 that's gonna fuse into a real beast.
Naruto has, not Kurama. Kurama is still a Bijuu that revives as seen with HimawariDude has been altered by six path chakra
These are wild baseless claims.I mean dude is strong enough to be his own god tree that can suck the earth dry.
Bleach is fine, Arc is doing very well
Peak right here
Every other Bleach supporterBleach is fine, Arc is doing very well. Can't say the same here.
Deceived and Arcker and Bastalon and ReaperandBlues are my Squad 0 rnEvery other Bleach supporter