Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

I think you're forgetting what I'm replying to this.
This is what I was answering to. Whether Sasuke was in a worse condition is irrelevant coz I never said he wasn't..all I'm saying is your above statement is not correct.

You’re saying my statement is not correct by arguing Borushiki was low on chakra, which isn’t the case. If Sasuke is worse off then Borushiki and worried about his own chakra as well, snd Borushiki is already weary of him, it would still be the same if they both were fresh. Post-Isshiki Fight Borushiki isn’t going from being weary of Sasuke to not threatend by him here and it’s for the above reason.

The right statement is low chakra momo thought he won't go unscathed by fighting injured and low chakra Sasuke. so yes I find it impossible for a fully fit Sasuke to scare above momo who is also full on chakra and has further processed 2%.

You have no basis to assert this. 2% increase isn’t sufficient in any regard. Especially when the same Momoshiki you’re gassing feels it’s necessary to gang up and take advantage of a handicapped (Shikamaru Captured) Naruto.

Sasuke only downscaes heavily that's all.

You can characterize it however you want it but EoNNG Sasuke is in the same ballpark as EoNNG Borushiki as far as the evidence is concerned.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

what yall debating

 

[KingogKings777]

what yall debating

Something about Borushiki and Rinnagone Sasuke iirc?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

what yall debating

Rinnegone Sasuke scaling to Borushiki or not, how they compare to Code, etc etc.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

We don't know if the chakra cost is the same between abilities,

True, but we have precedence for all other Jutsu of it’s kind in the series requiring Large Chakra expenditures to go between Dimensions.

but regardless he definitely didn't have close to as much chakra as he did against Kawaki, otherwise he would've used some of his jutsu there against Sasuke.

True, but he was using Jutsu.

Plus, Borushiki>>Code>Delta<~Base SPSM Naruto~Base Rinnegan Sasuke>Base Rinnegone Sasuke

My point is, the “>” in this system isn’t “Incredible”. All of these characters are still in the ballpark and Code’s fight against Boruto is highly contentious as it’s reliant of Amadou’s appraisal, which is sketchy.

 

[karo_senpaii]

You’re saying my statement is not correct by arguing Borushiki was low on chakra, which isn’t the case. If Sasuke is worse off then Borushiki and worried about his own chakra as well, snd Borushiki is already weary of him, it would still be the same if they both were fresh. Post-Isshiki Fight Borushiki isn’t going from being weary of Sasuke to not threatend by him here and it’s for the above reason.

You have no basis to assert this. 2% increase isn’t sufficient in any regard. Especially when the same Momoshiki you’re gassing feels it’s necessary to gang up and take advantage of a handicapped (Shikamaru Captured) Naruto.

You can characterize it however you want it but EoNNG Sasuke is in the same ballpark as EoNNG Borushiki as far as the evidence is concerned.

1. I said your statement is wrong coz you did not factor in momo own handicap. You said well since Sasuke was a thread injured then at full power momo won't suddenly see him as irrelevant. All I was doing was shed more light on momo own disadvantages.

Go back and re read the chapter.
A. Sasuke said momo appeared coz boruto had lost too much chakra and became unconscious just like boro fight.

B. When momo took over he had to use more chakra via karma just like boro fight.
C. Him being able to use one or 2 jutsu does not negate the fact that he is infact low on chakra . Sasuke literally used amaterasu and chidori in that state. Like if we go by manga Sasuke isn't that low on chakra , heck he was going to take them all back with his rinnengan. He is just injured by ishikki.

D. Karma space time ninjutsu clearly takes less chakra that Sasuke rinnengan. If not boruto and kawaki would be low on chakra after using it to go find Naruto. Yet they used it, went and fought boro, came back tired and still used it just fine.


Boruto and Sasuke are both low on chakra. And momo never said "he'd be a tough opponent". All he said was if he fights Sasuke he'd at least get injured but still win. But he wanted to be careful and not get injured or worse than he was. Logically both at full power at 80% my bet is on momo.

2. Lol i can and i will. 2% is not in relation to just power but actual biological change in the vessel as a whole. It's not a linear increase so all we do is base it on feats.

Limiter Code is clearly in the same ball park of power as rinnengon Sasuke. Multiple statements including amado telling naruto it won't go same way as Delta inevitably saying code will loose.

Now with the way borushiki dominated code yeah I'm gonna say he does same for Sasuke.


Now all this is actually just strictly based on ap and such..but sasuke is a combat genius and much more equipped and smarter than code. He would probably do better than limiter Code but naa borushiki is above.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

1. I said your statement is wrong coz you did not factor in momo own handicap.

False. Nowhere did I not factor in his handicaps. Not even implied. The only thing I ever did was state what he did. In fact it is the opposite if you reread my argument. I’ve acknowledged he was low on chakra, just nowhere near the degree of when he controlled Boruto in Boro fight. That doesn’t change the facts of what I said.

You said well since Sasuke was a thread injured then at full power momo won't suddenly see him as irrelevant.

Reread the context of my posts again. Injured (Far Far more then Borushiki) & LoC Sasuke is enough to make Post-Isshiki fight Borushiki (Who we’ve all acknowledged to be in far better condition than in the Boro fight) weary of fighting him, which innately implies a degree and relativity (This would not change even if both are Fresh). I then go on to say (Paraphrased), a 2% Bump doesn’t dramatically change the dynamic presented.

All I was doing was shed more light on momo own disadvantages.

Not really, you were doing more than that, but I digress, we’re addressing it all here.

Go back and re read the chapter.
A. Sasuke said momo appeared coz boruto had lost too much chakra and became unconscious just like boro fight.

Sasuke says “This”. Which can either mean:

1. He is low on Chakra.
2. He used too much Chakra at Once.

I’m inclined to believe it’s the later but i’ll explain why below.

B. When momo took over he had to use more chakra via karma just like boro fight.

This is false. Momoshiki uses Boruto’s Chakra to fight and nothing more. In the Boro fight, when he first appeared he:

1. Flying
2. Kicks off Boro’s Arm
3. Kicks Boro Away
4. Almost falls out of the sky (Which prompts his assertion that Boruto was almost out of chakra)
5. Gets chakra from Naruto
6. Kicks Boro around two more times
7. Uses Large Rasengan.

So no, there is no such thing as “use more chakra via Karma”. That did not happen. Unlike the Boro fight, Boruto just has more chakra.

C. Him being able to use one or 2 jutsu does not negate the fact that he is infact low on chakra.

It was 2 with an implied Portal Usage and It’s not like the Jutsu he did use are those that require small amounts of Chakra. Just like we know Sasuke, even though he stumbled at one point, still has more than 33% of his chakra as he able to use MS.

Let me also bring this to your attention:

• Statement about the Sharingan and Chakra Levels
• Sasuke’s statement about Borushiki

The implication here is that Borushiki isn’t operating on some “insignificant” level of chakra. You are in denial if you still think this. He has enough chakra to make Sasuke worry he could run out before him.

Sasuke literally used amaterasu and chidori in that state. Like if we go by manga Sasuke isn't that low on chakra , heck he was going to take them all back with his rinnengan. He is just injured by ishikki.

Read above.

D. Karma space time ninjutsu clearly takes less chakra that Sasuke rinnengan. If not boruto and kawaki would be low on chakra after using it to go find Naruto. Yet they used it, went and fought boro, came back tired and still used it just fine.

Btw, this is where I address the above statement I said i’ll address below:

1. Kawaki and Boruto split the requirement to get to the Boro Dimension.
2. Boruto was fresh before he and Sasuke arrived to save Naruto from Isshiki.
3. Boruto used only 3 JUTSU in the entire Isshiki fight: Transformation Jutsu / Karma Portal / Shunshin

Based on 3, if Boruto is “Low on Chakra”, it because of the S/T Portal to another Dimension which has CONSISTENTLY been shown to require large amounts of chakra across 3 separate Jutsu (Kaguya’s Portals, Kamui to other Dimensions, Sasuke’s Rinnegan Jutsu).

You have no choice but concede the portals expend a lot of chakra if you’re going with this narrative he is “Low on Chakra” (More then even I’m arguing), and this falls in line with the rest of the verse. If Borushiki has the chakra to expend on another portal, this means the above statement from Sasuke on Boruto expending a lot of chakra falls in line with my argument. The chakra expenditure is hefty (Using a lot of Chakra at Once) but doesn’t leave him “Low on Chakra” because otherwise he wouldn’t be able create the portal.

Also, just incase you bring it up, how Boruto and Co returned isn’t stated or shown, but lets not forget Momoshiki also amped Boruto by Absorbing Naruto’s Chakra. So it’s not impossible for Boruto to have provided the majority of the power to return them back if Kawaki was aiding.

Boruto and Sasuke are both low on chakra. And momo never said "he'd be a tough opponent". All he said was if he fights Sasuke he'd at least get injured but still win. But he wanted to be careful and not get injured or worse than he was. Logically both at full power at 80% my bet is on momo.

That’s not how that works. You’re intentionally ignoring the inherent implication of such a statement. Speed, Strength, AP, etc. Sasuke would have to, in part, be relative to Borushiki for there to be a chance for him to leave Borushiki scathed in any encounter. Sasuke being skilled is irrelevant. You can argue BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke were equally as Skilled as Obito but without NE as the Kryptonite or near Comparable stats, they had no chance against Juubito. And this isn’t some one-off example, it’s found all throughout Naruto.

Sure, you can think Momo would win but that’s not the debate here.

2. Lol i can and i will.

Sure. You can also assert 2+2= 96, but…. Well, you get it.

2% is not in relation to just power but actual biological change in the vessel as a whole.

The percentage of extraction correlates with the vessels power and it’s implied to be linear by Isshiki (Scan 1 | Scan 2)

SIDE NOTE: Notice how using the portal leaves Boruto visibly exhausted and Ninjas want to act like i’m off my rocker…

It's not a linear increase so all we do is base it on feats.

Based on what? What have a overlooked?

Limiter Code is clearly in the same ball park of power as rinnengon Sasuke.

Contentious imo.

Multiple statements including amado telling naruto it won't go same way as Delta inevitably saying code will loose.

Iirc, there are only 2 statements:

1. Code’s personal statement, which included Boro (And this is proven unreliable based on the Boro Fight against the kids).
2. Amadou’s Statement (Also unreliable given he is manipulative & directly invested in & benefits from Kawaki thinking Naruto can be killed and wanting to protect him. Ntm he himself is unsure of Naruto’s power w/o Kurama).

If we go based on feats (And you guys scale limited Code solely on Faulty Statements), he would maybe give Post-Isshiki Fight Base Naruto & Sasuke a decent fight.

Now with the way borushiki dominated code yeah I'm gonna say he does same for Sasuke.

And again, this is because you scale him based on unreliable statements.

Now all this is actually just strictly based on ap and such.

It’s actually not on your end.

but sasuke is a combat genius and much more equipped and smarter than code.

Read above.

He would probably do better than limiter Code but naa borushiki is above.

Going by your logic and general appraisal, he wouldn’t. Better Arsenal than Code though, which is a plus.

 

[Nierre]

honestly don't even know what's being argued anymore. can I get a tl dr from both sides

 

[SlendVeny]

honestly don't even know what's being argued anymore. can I get a tl dr from both sides

TLDR: Momoshiki is better because Code is stinky

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Off-Topic: WALMART DOESN’T ACCEPT APPLE PAY ANYMORE?!!!

Had me standing in line like a dunce when I couldn’t pay because my wallet was at home. I see how Naruto felt when he couldn’t pay for his date with Hinata now…

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Off-Topic: WALMART DOESN’T ACCEPT APPLE PAY ANYMORE?!!!

Had me standing in line like a dunce when I couldn’t pay because my wallet was at home. I see how Naruto felt when he couldn’t pay for his date with Hinata now…

bro shoulda gotten a discount for saving the world

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

is there any crt planned anytime soon or ongoing? I recall slayer talking about doing one at the end of the month
id like to post one assuming the window isn't crowded up with more important ones

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

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