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Alright so since the last thread opened my eyes to some of the arguments against this I’ve come back with some counter arguments and new changes. I’ll also be breaking this up again since there’s a bit to go over
1.
Agree ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed
Neutral Stryker861
Disagree Daoist_Pepe
Golden_Void, KingogKings777,Damage3245
2.
Agree Testarossa002,Daoist_Pepe,Nierre,ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed
Neutral Stryker861
Disagree Golden_Void,KingogKings777,Damage3245,KingTempest
3.
Agree
karo_senpaii,ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed,Snek
Neutral Daoist_Pepe,Stryker861
Disagree Golden_Void,KingogKings777,HelloThere1089,KingTempest,Damage3245
As we know sasuke gained half of hagromo’s power after he got folded by madera. And should be able to replicate Hagromo’s moon throw which he performed on his deathbed after gave his power to asura, scattered the tailed beast (which would leave him in an extremely weakened and vulnerable state) while potentially mostly paralyzed.
Hagoromo nerfs - Imgur
Now I know we already accept deathbed hagromo being weaker then even his base but I just wanted to to emphasize just how weak he would be in this state and to show an even bigger difference in strength for his ghost self.
Ghost hagromo should be as strong as his alive juubi self. I say this for a couple of reasons, for one hagromo likens the ten tails power to his own(implying he still has that power, somehow). The next reason why I say this is because even though madera had the ten tails and one Rinnegan he was still below ghost hagromo by quite a bit seeing as Naruto with just SPSM almost murdered him, madera himself was even surprised at Naruto’s increase in power. On top of this Naruto who wasn’t even going all out.So just having the juubi an’t enough to even be half as strong as he is unless your packing something extra which leads me into my last point. For the finale reason, sasuke with just half of ghost hagromo’s power and all the tailed beast reach’s juubi hagromo’s lvls of power. Showing that sasuke should atleast be half as strong as juubi hagromo and quite a bit stronger then his deathbed self.
Ghost Hagromo power - Imgur
Conclusion
So for this section sasuke should be low 5-b with TK, ghost Hagoromo should be equal to his juubi self and one eyed juubi madera’s reasoning for his tier should be changed something like “surviving SPSM Naruto’s lava Rasenshuriken”
Hagoromo nerfs - Imgur
Now I know we already accept deathbed hagromo being weaker then even his base but I just wanted to to emphasize just how weak he would be in this state and to show an even bigger difference in strength for his ghost self.
Ghost hagromo should be as strong as his alive juubi self. I say this for a couple of reasons, for one hagromo likens the ten tails power to his own(implying he still has that power, somehow). The next reason why I say this is because even though madera had the ten tails and one Rinnegan he was still below ghost hagromo by quite a bit seeing as Naruto with just SPSM almost murdered him, madera himself was even surprised at Naruto’s increase in power. On top of this Naruto who wasn’t even going all out.So just having the juubi an’t enough to even be half as strong as he is unless your packing something extra which leads me into my last point. For the finale reason, sasuke with just half of ghost hagromo’s power and all the tailed beast reach’s juubi hagromo’s lvls of power. Showing that sasuke should atleast be half as strong as juubi hagromo and quite a bit stronger then his deathbed self.
Ghost Hagromo power - Imgur
Conclusion
So for this section sasuke should be low 5-b with TK, ghost Hagoromo should be equal to his juubi self and one eyed juubi madera’s reasoning for his tier should be changed something like “surviving SPSM Naruto’s lava Rasenshuriken”
This kind ties into the first section due to the usage of tk and the applications for combat
So kaygua should just scale to hagromo’s moon throw. There’s no reason not to. Hagromo’s “tk” is just the deva paths power which we know can be used in combat on people objects and even ninjutsu to a degree, from throwing objects at people, pushing people so hard that it breaks there bones, make yourself fly, destroys villages, etc. The deva powers used on a CT should be no different from what hagromo can use in combat.
Deva path combat tk - Imgur
We’ve seen Rinnegan users move there CT around and there’s nothing implying there doing anything particularly special to move them around or really do anything different from how they usually use there power
Planetary devastation tk - Imgur
Conclusion
Kaguya and other god tiers should be able to scale off of Hagoromo’s moon throw due to his and other deva path users tk being combat applicable.
So kaygua should just scale to hagromo’s moon throw. There’s no reason not to. Hagromo’s “tk” is just the deva paths power which we know can be used in combat on people objects and even ninjutsu to a degree, from throwing objects at people, pushing people so hard that it breaks there bones, make yourself fly, destroys villages, etc. The deva powers used on a CT should be no different from what hagromo can use in combat.
Deva path combat tk - Imgur
We’ve seen Rinnegan users move there CT around and there’s nothing implying there doing anything particularly special to move them around or really do anything different from how they usually use there power
Planetary devastation tk - Imgur
Conclusion
Kaguya and other god tiers should be able to scale off of Hagoromo’s moon throw due to his and other deva path users tk being combat applicable.
Since these are kinda intertwined I’ll be doing both of them together.
So to make this clear toneri’s plan was to destroy humanity, the earth itself and remake the planet. Not to destroy the “world” by destroying humanity or lifewiping but to destroy both the earth and humans. This is stated multiple times throughout the novel and the movie that toneri was gonna destroy the both by with the moon or that the earth was in danger of getting destroyed. It’s also made clear that his referring to the earth and humanity when he or others mention the world of the sage of six paths or his version of hamaru’s celestial decree
Toneri's Plan - Imgur
And now that we established what his goal is and what exactly he means by the “world of the sage of six paths” and “Hamura’s celestial decree” it’s time to get into Hamura’s power. After toneri lost his tensegian and absorbed all the byakugan and Naruto’s power hints tells him to stop and that his misunderstood hamura’s celestial decree he doesn’t listen to her and then straight up said he was going to destroy the world of the sage of six paths with the light of justice via Hamura’s power
Toneri try's to destroy the earth - Imgur
This should be 5-B with how much emphasis there is to the destruction of the planet itself. And of course this should scale to all the other god tiers in the verse.
But we’re not quite done with this section yet. I want to talk about toneri’s tk. Toneri wanted to remake the earth after its destruction. With how he phrases it, it sounds like he’s gonna remake the planet from what’s ever’s left of it after it’s destruction.
Imgur: The magic of the Internet
Conclusion
So for hamura and the rest of the god tiers of the verse should get 5-B from his power.
As for toneri’s tk it’s possible that the tesengian has some other ability for this that we don’t know of but going off of what we know I don’t think a “possible 5-B with tk” would be to much
So to make this clear toneri’s plan was to destroy humanity, the earth itself and remake the planet. Not to destroy the “world” by destroying humanity or lifewiping but to destroy both the earth and humans. This is stated multiple times throughout the novel and the movie that toneri was gonna destroy the both by with the moon or that the earth was in danger of getting destroyed. It’s also made clear that his referring to the earth and humanity when he or others mention the world of the sage of six paths or his version of hamaru’s celestial decree
Toneri's Plan - Imgur
And now that we established what his goal is and what exactly he means by the “world of the sage of six paths” and “Hamura’s celestial decree” it’s time to get into Hamura’s power. After toneri lost his tensegian and absorbed all the byakugan and Naruto’s power hints tells him to stop and that his misunderstood hamura’s celestial decree he doesn’t listen to her and then straight up said he was going to destroy the world of the sage of six paths with the light of justice via Hamura’s power
Toneri try's to destroy the earth - Imgur
This should be 5-B with how much emphasis there is to the destruction of the planet itself. And of course this should scale to all the other god tiers in the verse.
But we’re not quite done with this section yet. I want to talk about toneri’s tk. Toneri wanted to remake the earth after its destruction. With how he phrases it, it sounds like he’s gonna remake the planet from what’s ever’s left of it after it’s destruction.
Imgur: The magic of the Internet
Conclusion
So for hamura and the rest of the god tiers of the verse should get 5-B from his power.
As for toneri’s tk it’s possible that the tesengian has some other ability for this that we don’t know of but going off of what we know I don’t think a “possible 5-B with tk” would be to much
Agree ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed
Neutral Stryker861
Disagree Daoist_Pepe
Golden_Void, KingogKings777,Damage3245
2.
Agree Testarossa002,Daoist_Pepe,Nierre,ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed
Neutral Stryker861
Disagree Golden_Void,KingogKings777,Damage3245,KingTempest
3.
Agree
karo_senpaii,ninjaking21,Lloydblitzed,Snek
Neutral Daoist_Pepe,Stryker861
Disagree Golden_Void,KingogKings777,HelloThere1089,KingTempest,Damage3245
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