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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)

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7-B (13.46 megatons)
  • Lower-End Pain - Rain Tiger at Will calc, Shinra Tensei and offensive ninjutsu would be superior to that.
  • Sage Jiraiya - Could fight the lower-end Pains, and Pain stated that he could’ve won if he knew the secret of the Rinnegan.
  • Part II Kakashi - Survived Shinra Tensei, impaled the Asura Path and was implied to be a threat to the Deva Path.
  • Base Naruto - He and his clones survived Shinra Tensei, could restrain Kakashi during the Five Kage Summit (despite being poisoned at the time). Implied by Deidara to be a threat to Hidan and Kakuzu.
  • BoS Sakura - Physically stronger than Naruto and Kakashi, destroyed the Third Kazekage Puppet and damaged Sasori’s main body.
  • Hebi Sasuke - Superior to the members of Team 7, easily disabled Naruto and Sai at the same time with his Chidori Current.
  • Deathbed Itachi - Briefly matched a partially transformed Hebi Sasuke in a Katon clash, and Obito claimed he was pressuring Sasuke.
  • Hidan - Matched blows with Kakashi.
  • Kakuzu - Restrained Kakashi, Chōji and Ino at the same time.
  • Deidara (Lower-End) - His clone withstood several attacks from KN0 Naruto and four of his clones. Survived a punch from Hebi Sasuke.
  • Sasori - Stated to be stronger than Deidara. The Third Kazekage puppet was stated to be the strongest Kazekage, and his main body is implied to be superior.
  • Gaara - Can crush Deidara’s arm.
  • Bijuu Mode Yugito - Fought with Hidan and Kakuzu, and overpowered the latter with some effort.

7-A (134.68 megatons)
  • KN4 Naruto - Stronger than his KN1 state, which is over 10x stronger than his base.
  • CS2 Sasuke - Stronger than his CS1 state, which is over 10x stronger than his base.
  • Deidara (Higher-End) - Could damage CS2 Sasuke.
  • Konoha Crush Orochimaru - Stated twice to have only lost to Sasuke due to being diseased and not having arms.
  • Hydra Orochimaru - Orochimaru’s strongest form.
  • Deathbed Itachi’s Susano’o - Easily lopped heads off of Hydra Orochimaru.
  • SSWW Tsunade - Beat Jiraiya to near death, which he compared to KN4 Naruto.
  • Weakened Orochimaru - Staggered KN4 Naruto with a punch. (possibly 7-A)
  • Weakened Tsunade - Harmed and drew blood Weakened Orochimaru with a punch. (possibly 7-A)
  • Hokage Tsunade - Stronger than her SSWW self.
  • Hanzō - Superior to the Sannin during the Second Shinobi World War.
  • War Arc Orochimaru - At least as strong as he was during the Konoha Crush due to taking his chakra back from Kabuto.
  • Hiruzen - Could hold his own against Orochimaru during the Konoha Crush.
  • Alive Itachi - A clone with 30% of his chakra could fight with Kakashi. Orochimaru and Kisame consider Itachi to be stronger than them.
Need more discussion
  • SSWW and Current Jiraiya
  • SSWW Orochimaru
  • All of the jōnin tiers (Asuma, Kurenai, Base Guy, Kabuto, etc.)
  • Kisame
  • Konan
  • Taka Sasuke
 
I’ll leave the High 7-As and higher in another tier list after we discuss this one.
 
LordTracer said:
Sakura would scale to Kakashi, who also tanked Shinra Tensei, and Kakashi didn’t get much stronger until the War Arc either.
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Fair enough, it's just a bit weird IMO that the story and supporting Evidence makes a big deal of Naruto getting stronger but an earlier Sakura scales to him anyway.

thats just me though.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
Fair enough, it's just a bit weird IMO that the story and supporting Evidence makes a big deal of Naruto getting stronger but an earlier Sakura scales to him anyway.

thats just me though.
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I mean, if we go by what the story presents to us than a feat like this is a significant striking strength feat and it is way lower than City level.

Which is probably mostly down to Naruto separating physical striking feats from ninjutsu.

Even though Naruto could cause more destruction than that using a Rasengan, he wouldn't be able to raise his striking strength to match.
 
Damage3245 said:
I mean, if we go by what the story presents to us than a feat like this is a significant striking strength feat and it is way lower than City level.
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that's more an AOE thing IMO, because I doubt that feat is even 8-A let alone 7-B in terms of AP.

for example, dragonball has solar system-level attacks that make town level sized Craters.

If we don't have any scaling chains and stuff like that then this feat would be the next best thing for Sakura
 
Looking at how this scaling is, I'm really leaning toward Naruto having more than one base key. It just doesn't seem right to assume his base doesn't get stronger despite all the training he does.
 
Wrath_Of_Itachi said:
Looking at how this scaling is, I'm really leaning toward Naruto having more than one base key. It just doesn't seem right to assume his base doesn't get stronger despite all the training he does.
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His Base does get stronger by quite a bit.

we have stuff like statements saying that after FRS that he holds power that rivals the fourth Hokage.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
His Base does get stronger by quite a bit.

we have stuff like statements saying that after FRS that he holds power that rivals the fourth Hokage.
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Well, it was the Rasenshuriken that rivaled Minato, not Naruto himself. But then again, that whole arc was constantly saying Naruto had the potential to surpass Minato and it’s implied he does at the end so idk.
 
From what I knew it's because (what's assumed currently anyway) there isn't much power increase in Naruto's base form.
 
LordTracer said:
Well, it was the Rasenshuriken that rivaled Minato, not Naruto himself. But then again, that whole arc was constantly saying Naruto had the potential to surpass Minato and it’s implied he does at the end so idk.
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yes that would kinda go against the whole theme of that arc, Naruto isn't some super glasscanon IMO, the reason why FRS is deadly to him is because of the cellular destruction not because it's literally thousands of times stronger than him.

well thats my Interpretation of those events anyway.

But I wouldn't be against the idea of giving him a tier for his FRS
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
yes that would kinda go against the whole theme of that arc, Naruto isn't some super glasscanon IMO, the reason why FRS is deadly to him is because of the cellular destruction not because it's literally thousands of times stronger than him.

well thats my Interpretaition of those events anyway
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I only say it was just the Rasenshuriken because that’s what the chapter summary implies, and Naruto’s base being Minato level at that point is kinda contradictory since A IV’s strongest punch is stated to be capable of killing KCM Naruto, and Minato > A IV.

Also with the High 7-A and higher scale that I have in mind, Minato would end up at High 7-A+/6-C, so Naruto being that strong is a teensy bit weird.
 
I remember how we talked about Naruto having an enormous amount of chakra but because his chakra control is shit he can't utilize all of that chakra to increase his AP. Well Narutos chakra control massively improved after learning the FRS and especially after learning Sage Mode, so that could be the explanation for his Base form getting stronger.
 
Naruto did use lots of clones to train using FRS. Isn't that equivalent to like months or even years of training? So his strength should increase significantly IMO.
 
So should Naruto go back to having Pre-Pain Arc and Post-Pain Arc keys?
 
LordTracer said:
I only say it was just the Rasenshuriken because that’s what the chapter summary implies, and Naruto’s base being Minato level at that point is kinda contradictory since A IV’s strongest punch is stated to be capable of killing KCM Naruto, and Minato > A IV.

Also with the High 7-A and higher scale that I have in mind, Minato would end up at High 7-A+/6-C, so Naruto being that strong is a teensy bit weird.
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why is Minato High 7-A again?
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
but that assumes the Jonin level Ay is the same power as Kage level Ay no?
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Eh, that’s true. But one of A’s best feats happens while he’s jōnin level so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ig I wouldn’t particularly mind treating Part II A as stronger than Minato though. Especially if like, KCM Minato was treated as comparable to KCM Naruto.
 
LordTracer said:
Eh, that’s true. But one of A’s best feats happens while he’s jōnin level so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ig I wouldn’t particularly mind treating Part II A as stronger than Minato though. Especially if like, KCM Minato was treated as comparable to KCM Naruto.
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because wouldn't Ay have needed to get stronger anyway to become Kage, also it be weird if Base Minato was comparable to KCM Naruto when he was tagged and had some trouble (not alot lets be honest) with an Obito who should Logically be weaker than Tobi who himself is weaker than Rinnegan Obito who could compete with KCM Naruto.
 
Wrath_Of_Itachi said:
I think we should start this revision over and go by arcs. Currently it is far too messy and a lot of the scaling has changed. There are also some calcs that aren't accounted for.
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this is actually not a bad idea. IMO we should summarize everything we agreed with so far and start a New CRT and tackle it piece by piece instead of covering everything and making 15+ pages IMO
 
Okay, sure. Minato can scale above the Sannin (and Hiruzen too tbh). We need to figure out where Orochimaru and Jiraiya at the time scale to though.
 
Minato was about to cut through Ays lightning armor with a kunai, but then Bee saved him and Minato cut through his tentacle. We know that partial transformations are just as strong as the Bijuu themselves since Gyuukis head apears and swallows Kuramas Bijuudama when Naruto was fighting Kurama. But anyway, i will save this argument for later.
 
Metalija said:
Minato was about to cut through Ays lightning armor with a kunai, but then Bee saved him and Minato cut through his tentacle. We know that partial transformations are just as strong as the Bijuu themselves since Gyuukis head apears and swallows Kuramas Bijuudama when Naruto was fighting Kurama. But anyway, i will save this argument for later.
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unless the feat itself is really considered Important from a Narrative POV, I feel like Kunai and sword feats are super Inconsistent.

Remember when Four tailed Naruto tanks a Sword to the stomach but doesn't get penetrated but a 100% KCM naruto does lol.
 
I know we're still busy with the Part 2 Scaling but what about Gamabunta?

He's still 6C on his profile. I wasn't that involved in the Part 1 scaling but I thought someone would've brought it up.
 
The_Alxhemist said:
I know we're still busy with the Part 2 Scaling but what about Gamabunta?

He's still 6C on his profile. I wasn't that involved in the Part 1 scaling but I thought someone would've brought it up.
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I disagree with 6-C frog boy but I don't remember what the consensus is.
 
Base Naruto (Pain Arc) would be 7-A and above his KN4 self now, if we go with the Minato scale, since SSWW Tsunade was compared to KN4 Naruto by Jiraiya.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
unless the feat itself is really considered Important from a Narrative POV, I feel like Kunai and sword feats are super Inconsistent.

Remember when Four tailed Naruto tanks a Sword to the stomach but doesn't get penetrated but a 100% KCM naruto does lol.
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Yeah, im not pushing it. I just wanted to bring it up. There are plenty of ways you can wank Minato lol.
 
Metalija said:
Gamabunta was 6-C due to being able to harm weakened Shukaku, but only full power Shukaku is 6-C. Pain also oneshoted Gamabunta with a Shinra Tensei.
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Fair enough but I'm generally against cross scaling part 2 back to part 1. but I don't want to get into that right now.
 
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