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Nanatsu No Taizai Discussion Thread 12

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"original demon" is not a name. It's just what the sinner is.

Also everyone knows Purgatory Ban will wreck this guy pretty badly, meaning that The ONE is still>>> as he's >Ban. In fact it makes no sense to say that Mael would be stronger than The One Escanor let alone a hypothetical 'prime AM meliodas' when The One only needed one slap to one shot him.

The Sinner did feat which Escanor couldnt do which destroy the dark cocoon with his mere presence.

Escanor The One is only 200k+ if we use the ideal of both masters adding their PL then it woild be 341k. So it seems your fanboy glasses has been denying facts lately

And yes Prime meliodas>The One.

Remember the feat where meliodas by passed DKs magic with his darkness?
 
Peter1129 said:
After rethinking some things over my list is like this. I'm including the same characters in different forms.

Top 20

1. Demon King/Supreme Deity

2. 5C Prime Assault Mode meliodas

3. Original Demon

4. Sunshine Mael

5. Prime Assault Mode Meliodas

6. The One Escanor

7. Zeldris w/ God, Ominous Nebula, and 2nd Demon Mark

8. Full Grown Wings King

9. 4C Mael

10. Elizabeth

11. Prime Demon Mark Meliodas

12. Zeldris w/ God and Ominous Nebula

13. Indura Monspeet/Indura Derriere

14. Ludoshel

15. Zeldris w/ God

16. True Form Chandler

17. True Form Cusack

18. 3C Mael

19. Post-Revival Assault Mode Meliodas

20. Late Morning Escanor

Honorable Mentions

Hawk Mama: Doesn't have good enough feats canon wise.

Wild Full Throttle Mode: Died after using it for a short period of time.

Wild: Unknown stronger than Purgatory Ban.

Indura Baruja: Unquantifiably more powerful than Indura Monspeet and Indura Derriere sue to being an full grown Indura.

Purgatory Ban: Unknown

Demon Gowther: Virtually everything about him is unknown other than him being an immensely powerful magic user.

Merlin: Needs prep time to be op.
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Why is ludoshel above the masters?
 
He was overpowering both masters at day when he was still able to use his full power which is 201k. Cusack only managed to overpower him at night and when he started to weaken due to his host limiting the amount of power he can use. And even than it wasn't really a stomp since weakened Ludoshel was still able to trade blows with an amped Cusack.
 
Peter1129 said:
He was overpowering both masters at day when he was still able to use his full power which is 201k. Cusack only managed to overpower him at night and when he started to weaken due to his host limiting the amount of power he can use. And even than it wasn't really a stomp since weakened Ludoshel was still able to trade blows with an amped Cusack.
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Huh? Weakened ludo?? Ludo wasnt weakened but only was stated "is this the limit of your vessel ludoshel?" Nothing implies, in fact despite that merlin never noted their PL skyrocketed and clearly when ludos didnt do anything he asked merlin whether it was their original power which merlin state they sealed their power but givign them the toighest and strongest opponent.

As for meliodas being weaker than ludo, ludo didnt bypass DKs magic compare to when meliodas after he awakened from his coma effortlessly did it. So the scaling clearly implies Meliodas>>>>ludo by far in feats not PL.
 
Ludoshel even said he needed to conserve energy in the next chapter which implies that he can no longer output his full power in Margaret's body. Also we do know nighttime gives a boost to Demons but we don't know by how much. Also Merlin's statement about them being the strongest next to the Demon King without even know their true identity is bs. Since there's Zeldris and Prime Meliodas who are both shown to be stronger than they are via feats and powerscaling.

When did I say anything about Meliodas being weaker than Ludoshel?

The power lvls aren't inconsistent. In fact the entire fight in Camelot shows how consistent the power lvls are. Late Morning 114k+ Escanor was unable to damage Zeldris, Chandler, or Cusack. Ludoshel straight up overpowered both masters when he was still able to use his full power. Merlin wasn't able to damage them with her normal attacks and had to rely on her Infinity hax.

I feel like people are confusing inconsistent power lvls with power lvls constantly getting retconned by Nakaba.
 
Ludoshel is gonna die. You can just tell that he will die eventually.

@Max How are PLs inconsistent? There's characters with far lower PLs fighting others, but those usually have an explaination, like Matrona or the Dawn Roar rip off vs Dreyfus.
 
Peter1129 said:
Ludoshel even said he needed to conserve energy in the next chapter which implies that he can no longer output his full power in Margaret's body. Also we do know nighttime gives a boost to Demons but we don't know by how much. Also Merlin's statement about them being the strongest next to the Demon King without even know their true identity is bs. Since there's Zeldris and Prime Meliodas who are both shown to be stronger than they are via feats and powerscaling.

When did I say anything about Meliodas being weaker than Ludoshel?

The power lvls aren't inconsistent. In fact the entire fight in Camelot shows how consistent the power lvls are. Late Morning 114k+ Escanor was unable to damage Zeldris, Chandler, or Cusack. Ludoshel straight up overpowered both masters when he was still able to use his full power. Merlin wasn't able to damage them with her normal attacks and had to rely on her Infinity hax.

I feel like people are confusing inconsistent power lvls with power lvls constantly getting retconned by Nakaba.
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Cuz if we say that cusack at night was like above 201k but that contradicts the latter. Chandler despite being night time was reduced to less than half of his power and couldnt even take out king. In fact even when he transformed he had a low to mid difficulty beating gloxinnia and drole even though pre revival meliodas literally fought them at the same ddifficulty and dont get it wrong brcause gloxinnia was healing and drole was also healing regaining their strength every time meliodas beats them. The fact that gowther made chandlers power in base less than half and later went to his transformed state which would close that gap that he said the latter.

In fact ludo using tecuniques of flash didnt do anything to chandler and cusack even though cusack even admitted that being old a slow starter. So it makes sense that the masters are not in their current state of fighting capability until later on.
 
^No

Near Noon Mael and The One would Beat Prime Mel, The Mel that fought Mael and pushed him back took place at night, when Mel was strong and Mael was weak
 
meh PLs matter but not that much so can we just ignore them and we can focus on all this when the manga ends .
 
The only thing power levels tell us is who is stronger than who and even that has inconsistencies. PLs are just there for the hype. They aren't reliable at all imo.
 
They've been reliable for most of the series and actually have a purpose other than hype. In the fight with Galand, they say he has a PL of 26,000, and then go on to say that if all are comparable to Galand, they'd have 260,000, not "They all must have higher PLs than fodder Galand" or something for the sake of hype. Also, there's tons of people introduced after the super strong characters, Fraudrin is one example.
 
Cusack literally said the demon king created a demon known as the Original Demon though. I'm pretty sure it's the reverse The Sinner is his title because he's sinned himself by betraying the demon king.
 
Actually it says that because he was a sinful demon he started the rebellion.

The Demon of Origin doesn't seem like a name and we all know it. he even quotes it like it's not legit.
 
His 'name' is the First Demon. He is also known as the sinner / Sinner because of his actions.
 
But know that im thinkin the DK is way older than all the demons if even chandler and cusack the oldest demon were created by him and seems that he cannont die
 
its funny tho... DK created sinner , gave him his powers(possibly GOD) and sinner tried to beat him and lost lmao talk about troll
 
i feel bad for sinner plot about to make him lose.. cuz even if they beat base he still has a 4x indura buff
 
When Zeldris talked of The Demon King splitting half his power into ten pieces (The Ten Commandments), there was mention of a servant he'd originally wanted to give it to. Obviously this falls into headcanon teritory, but could they be the same?
 
Yes, they are explicitly the same.

That is the First Demon, and he has Chandler's staff and Cusack's swords in that picture.
 
Wasn't the First Demon his own creation? Would kind of make sense that he could split his own creation into two other creations.
 
Damage3245 said:
Wasn't the First Demon his own creation? Would kind of make sense that he could split his own creation into two other creations.
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Friendly reminder that there are two of Meliodas dancing around too.
 
That situation is a little different. The other Meliodas is the embodiment of his emotions which we've only seen in Purgatory.

When he appears in the real world, it's unclear whether there will be two physical copies of Meliodas running around or whether his emotions will merge into his real body.
 
Damage3245 said:
That situation is a little different. The other Meliodas is the embodiment of his emotions which we've only seen in Purgatory.

When he appears in the real world, it's unclear whether there will be two physical copies of Meliodas running around or whether his emotions will merge into his real body.
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That embodyment came to life due to the DK's curse, though.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
^No

Near Noon Mael and The One would Beat Prime Mel, The Mel that fought Mael and pushed him back took place at night, when Mel was strong and Mael was weak
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Where was it stated it took place at night?? The special chapter background from their is day and everyone can assume anything what time he fought him and i can say to many reasons in that fight and how his power and body is so different literally can be headcanon to peak.

And yes escanor struggler against ON and had a power struggle. In fact theres a panel where zeldris overpowered escanor. Meliodas bypassed DKs magic >>escanors feat taking down nebula lol
 
Bypassing Zeldris using God is nothing impressive now since Zeldris using God is shown to be weaker than Ludoshel at full power. The One Escanor taking down Zeldris using God, Ominous Nebula, and 2nd Demon Mark is much more impressive. After all Zeldris using just God and Ominous Nebula completely stomped Ludoshel who was stronger than him using just God.
 
@Versus

Noice. Now I have something to look forward to binging after I finish school work

I am a big fan of Estarossa but I have yet to actually see him in the flesh. I can't wait
 
AstralKing7 said:
am i forgetting somethign but was zel ever shown to be downright weaker than Ludo with GOd
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Zeldris w/ God was shown to be slightly weaker than Ludoshel. He landed one hit on Ludoshel in the sword fight while Ludoshel landed two.
 
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