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If I may add my two cents, Bayonetta has proven to be capable of harming Aesir due to the fact that he was clearly damaged before Loki erased the EotW.
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No disrespect my mans, but I just got here and I have receipts so you’ll have to take it up with me. Also that doesn’t change what I’ve stated. Loptr does NOT blitz her in all their fights. In fact, in all but the third fight Bayonetta is proven to be on equal footing with Loptr.Commented a bit too late my guy. I already dropped the topic on speed. Right now I’m arguing on the tiering
even though for all we know she could have been sleep for a few seconds or maybe she just landed.
Not at all, considering how you’re taking the fights completely out of context. He doesn’t body her all the fights. The first time, he gets 3 lucky hits in but she gets back up after a short reprieve seemingly recuperated. In the second fight, he stated his intention was to kill her, he acted on those intentions, but ultimately he failed and HE ran away. The third time, he got his hands on the right eye (BUT ONLY BECAUSE HE TOOK THE SOVEREIGN POWER FROM LOKI) and not through his own strength. Bayonetta was open due to her summoning (Which don’t make since if you look at her fights with ML & Valor where everything about her summoning powers that left her vulnerable were corrected. I.E., being stuck posing, losing her clothes, being locked in one place, etc.)I’ve already addressed this in my Bayo 2 downgrade. Bayonetta being comparable to Loptr does not make sense at all when he’s bodied her in all 3 fights, and the final fight with Aesir makes no sense at all cause the 3rd fight happened right before the final fight where Bayonetta had her left eye and Loptr only had the right eye. So all of a sudden base Bayonetta with no eyes can somehow keep up with Aesir with both eyes despite losing in all 3 fights? Do you see where the scaling Falls apart the moment you try to argue Bayonetta’s comparable to Aesir?
Okay it feels like you’re not listening, Friend.Dude, Bayonetta was barely able to stand up to fight. She was about to die from Loptr and it took Loki opening the gates of hell to save both of them. Second fight he literally laughs it off when Bayonetta gets beaten by Loptr. Also.
Nothing in the entire fight remotely indicates she was asleep or that she landed when we literally see her lying on the ground and gets up as if she got her ass kicked. You’re arguing about what could’ve happened instead of what ACTUALLY happened.
Third fight again, she couldn’t do a single thing and Loptr is laughing at her as if she’s an amateur. And just takes her power as if it was nothing. Why would she scale when the entire context in all 3 fights points to her being weaker than Loptr?
He was only in a position to kill her because he had to rely on petty mind tricks in their first confrontation.Where am I taking things out of context? I'm using the scenes as they're shown. Loptr was going to kill bayonetta with no issues at all in the first fight, second fight he literally left because he thought he killed her since she's unable to fight, if the fact that she didn't do anything to stop him and was unconscious the next scene we see her proves she lost the fight. Whether or not he killed her doesn't change the fact that she lost to Loptr. The Sovereign powers from Loki barely has anything to do with the fight because he still beats bayonetta in the fight, her being exposed doesn't really change the fact that she couldn't get out of his grasp and was at his mercy while he wasn't even trying. Can you give any other arguments other than "he tried to kill her but failed"? Being unable to kill someone doesn't disprove them being weaker. By that logic Perfect Cell is weaker than Super Vegeta because he was going to kill him but failed.
First of all, I already apologized and accepted your request. I don’t know what more you want. I just came here to have a fun debate with you guys, not to step on anyone’s toes. Secondly, I never said Glass was an idiot and meant no harm towards him or you. I believe him to be intelligent. I just think he’s misplacing and misunderstanding the facts. Third, it is equally patronizing when you come out of nowhere complaining. Not to sound childish, but your initial request rubbed me the wrong way.Please stop using multiple comments to address your point, it’s makes the thread unnecessarily long and can be dealt with in one concise response.
Not sure why you quoted me, since you just said that I accepted it, there’s no need to explain further. I never said you called him an idiot either, there’s just no need to break it down with individual comments.First of all, I already apologized and accepted your request. I don’t know what more you want. I just came here to have a fun debate with you guys, not to step on anyone’s toes. Secondly, I never said Glass was an idiot and meant no harm towards him or you. I believe him to be intelligent. I just think he’s misplacing and misunderstanding the facts. Third, it is equally patronizing when you come out of nowhere complaining. Not to sound childish, but your initial request rubbed me the wrong way.
Yeah, the one knock out point that was used to justify the downgrade. Regardless, they should be comparable in any instance.Except he didnt? The only times hes ever shown to directly hit her are when she was being mindhaxxed or when she was caught off guard with her back turned. Every other instance shes been shown to keep up with him
Except it was agreed that he didnt knock her out in the thread, we had the calc group and agnaa analyze it and everythingYeah, the one knock out point that was used to justify the downgrade. Regardless, they should be comparable in any instance.
Because Jubileus feared him so much that she viably believed that he could overthrow her if he wanted to so she had him banished to InfernoWhy does Rodin being in the same hierarchy as Jubileus mean they are comparable in power in the first place? What is the context of him being viewed as the "most dangerous demon" in Inferno?
Where does it state that Jubiues feared him? and which Jubileus are you talking about? Weakened or full power?Because Jubileus feared him so much that she viably believed that he could overthrow her if he wanted to so she had him banished to Inferno
No they're not, no one is arguing for scaling them to him physically, only in speed@Dragonmasterxyz Bayonettaxminaj is arguing that
Actually, he left because his goal was to kill Rosa but he was currently occupied with Bayo so he attacked her and escaped.Where am I taking things out of context? I'm using the scenes as they're shown. Loptr was going to kill bayonetta with no issues at all in the first fight, second fight he literally left because he thought he killed her since she's unable to fight, if the fact that she didn't do anything to stop him and was unconscious the next scene we see her proves she lost the fight. Whether or not he killed her doesn't change the fact that she lost to Loptr. The Sovereign powers from Loki barely has anything to do with the fight because he still beats bayonetta in the fight, her being exposed doesn't really change the fact that she couldn't get out of his grasp and was at his mercy while he wasn't even trying. Can you give any other arguments other than "he tried to kill her but failed"? Being unable to kill someone doesn't disprove them being weaker. By that logic Perfect Cell is weaker than Super Vegeta because he was going to kill him but failed.