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i'll copy paste the description of chakra once again as there are still people that ignore a very crucial fact that is being bolded below :KarsSama said:Reiatsu = spiritual energy
Chakra = Physical energy and spiritual energy
Verse Equalized will mean that spiritual energy in bleach = spiritual energy in naruto
Saying anything else is dumbfuck
i believe this is what you've all been doingNaeblis495 said:oof , that's a post that ignore all evidences presented if i ever saw one .
sorry but no . i proven multiple times already that chakra have nothing to do with the soul . even going with the actual terms used in japanese.Sasukesolos said:i believe this is what you've all been doingNaeblis495 said:oof , that's a post that ignore all evidences presented if i ever saw one .
why do feel as if this is a valid point at all what differentiates the mind/ conscious and "soul" how can you have one without the other in our physics ? how can you display empathy without the other? its been shown that chakra and the soul are connected an example would be minato just before his death sealing the fox within naruto while storing his and kushinas chakra just so they can meet nartuo 16 years later inb4 "they programmed the message through chakra before hand" another example would be gaaras mom her soul was the one protecting gaara even in the exams during part 1 another example would be obito after his body was completely destroyed he traveled from the ((afterlife)) to give kakashi chakra need i say more?Naeblis495 said:i'll copy paste the description of chakra once again as there are still people that ignore a very crucial fact that is being bolded below :KarsSama said:Reiatsu = spiritual energy
Chakra = Physical energy and spiritual energy
Verse Equalized will mean that spiritual energy in bleach = spiritual energy in naruto
Saying anything else is dumbfuck
"Chakra is created when two other forms of energy, known collectively as one's "stamina", are moulded together. Physical energy (Þ║½õ¢ôÒé¿ÒâìÒâ½Òé«Òâ╝, shintai enerug─½) is collected from each and every one of the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Spiritual energy (þ▓¥þÑ×Òé¿ÒâìÒâ½Òé«Òâ╝, seishin enerug─½, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience"
as you can see , seishin energy even though it is refered as spiritual come in fact from the MENTAL/MIND and not the SOUL .
yhwach can ressurect people casually , i guess that make reishi/reiryoku better than chakra ? /sAnonymousBlank said:
why do feel as if this is a valid point at all what differentiates the mind/ conscious and "soul" how can you have one without the other in our physics ? how can you display empathy without the other? its been shown that chakra and the soul are connected an example would be minato just before his death sealing the fox within naruto while storing his and kushinas chakra just so they can meet nartuo 16 years later inb4 "they programmed the message through chakra before hand" another example would be gaaras mom her soul was the one protecting gaara even in the exams during part 1 another example would be obito after his body was completely destroyed he traveled from the ((afterlife)) to give kakashi chakra need i say more?Sasukesolos said:stuffNaeblis495 said:stuff
your are right sorry .AnonymousBlank said:@Sasuke
Are you legitimately arguing that their is no difference between a mind and a soul when the wiki makes a distinction between them. Bleach itself differentiates between the two.
@Naeblis
Lets not feed the notion even if its a joke om your part.
because mind,body and soul are completly differents things to start off .Naeblis495 said:why do feel as if this is a valid point at all what differentiates the mind/ conscious and "soul" how can you have one without the other in our physics ? how can you display empathy without the other? its been shown that chakra and the soul are connected an example would be minato just before his death sealing the fox within naruto while storing his and kushinas chakra just so they can meet nartuo 16 years later inb4 "they programmed the message through chakra before hand" another example would be gaaras mom her soul was the one protecting gaara even in the exams during part 1 another example would be obito after his body was completely destroyed he traveled from the ((afterlife)) to give kakashi chakra need i say more?Sasukesolos said:stuffNaeblis495 said:stuff
never implied same meaning equal im asking you both to explain how its not related in the context that was pulled from the wiki right now my position is within naruto chakara is related to the soul to strengthen one would be to strengthen the otherAnonymousBlank said:....... our physics means jack in regards to the mechanics and cosmology of a fictional verse when it is contradicted. Souls and the mind are different in Bleach, they are different irl, they are almost unanimously different across fiction but you want to say they are the same ..... why?
yo nice straw-man my post was centered around chakar being able to amp ones overall stats oppose to reiryoku spiritual energy in bleach if you have a higher spiritual power/energy that doesn't prove your the most durable , fastest ectSasukesolos said:stuff
the characthers that did the soul thug of war already have soul manip resistances, like naruto ; the others have no feat.Sasukesolos said:in the very start of the series we have seen characters fight against astral attacks soul manipulation to charterers playing tug of war with souls this isn't anything new to hold this position is honestly an argument from ignorance at its best would grimmjow be able to even perceive minato
how would he land a fatal blow on minato giving his combat intelligence analytical abilities, threat perception minato is combat tactician grimmojow is a beat stick who swings his claws like jason voorhess
you are so dense it is laughable.Sasukesolos said:please admit that the more spiritual energy you have doesn't make you the fastest or the most durable that is dependent on the individual meaning spiritual energy isn't an overall stat increase so if you were to gain it or release the full force of your spiritual energy such as bankai ect it wont boast all your stats
secondly we have seen beings in bleach who are not superhuman resist soul crush or better yet an intentional soul manipulation ability yammy literally yanking the souls of a small populace but being unable to yank the soul of ichigos classmate tatsuki who again isn't super human shes just spiritually aware to say grimmjow can soul crush or suppress minato who scales above him and tatsuki considering even within bleach they cant soul crush or yank the souls intentionally from beings they themselves scale above in power is simply an argument from ignorance
experience doesn't mean shit in fiction especially in bleach " millennia" of experience is interleave if a charter is above you in power or speed a prime example is kid kenpachi no training at all was ******** on that same unohana ichigo is another example against his fight with byakuya 16 year old with little to no sword play ******** on a being with thousands of years experience the fact that you used kenpachi as an example is odd kenpachi has absolutely no concern for technique or skill thats been his narrative consistentlyAnonymousBlank said:How would Grimmjow .... perceive Minato???
Oh this outta be a good read.
Also Grimm isn't a beatstick, when he can take on an Ichigo more skilled than the one who drew with Kenny, Kenny being someone who actively sought out fights for centuries if not millennia, could match Unohana (who did the same, knows 8000 sword styles and is the best swordsman in SS) in skill during their multiple clashes and even forced her to use sneak attacks to beat him. During SS just after waking up, he takes numerous blows from Tousen that run him through before getting his senses stolen and still beats Tosen anyway. Tosen having taught Hisagi how to fight and even dodge attacks from beings casually far faster and stronger than he is. Grimm completely dominated Ichigo in their first fight and even when they had similar stats, he still dictated the fight.