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Medaka Box General Discussion

Jesterofgames said:
You know I'm kinda curious about what revisions are planned?
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Mostly AP and formatting.
Jesterofgames said:
Though I did notice a Kinda impressive speed feat. Though it might be deemed an outlier with all the current stuff.
That being Medaka blitzing Aijmu's finger gun move that could blow up stars with it's speed. This is after it's "fired."

Ie She's pointing it, goes "Bang" to a white screen and next page Medaka diverted her finger gun.
Though again could be an outlier.
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  1. We don't treat that feat as real due to all the weirdness with it; it's a recording within a dream world where she has capabilities she doesn't in reality (i.e. being unsealed when she was IRL) being played back after she died. That's why her tier's Unknown, possibly 3-A, instead of At least 4-C, possibly 3-A.
  2. It's a bit weird given the way it was all framed. The scan you're referring to is this one which is the last page of the chapter. I wouldn't necessarily assume that this means the bang went off before Medaka started moving, rather than assuming that this ending hid information (that Medaka stopped it) for dramatic effect until the next chapter (MB, and media as a whole, does this a lot). Meaning that it could've been similar to an aimdodge.
  3. She was said to stop it with Kurokami Phantom Original Version, which has other statements about its speed both before and after this, establishing it as at or not too far above lightspeed.
  4. Seems like a random audience member said that for this feat Medaka stopped Ajimu with sonic speed. I'd consider this a low-end outlier view, but it still works in contrast to your idea.
Jesterofgames said:
I am aware it'd be mftl+, I'm just not certain it specifically is an outlier considering how up in the air most of medaka boxes stats are and medaka already being considered "casually" near light speed (like 1-5% light speed?). Hence why i mentioned it here for other's to judge.
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She's casually relativistic when playing instruments, but with effort and a special technique she gets modestly FTL. Like, I think at best, if you did some Calc Stacking, you'd be able to put KPOV at FTL+. MFTL+ to that extent would be far, far above what she does with exertion.
Antvasima said:
I have begun to read NisiOisiN's new manga, "Cipher Academy". Does anybody else have the impression that the "villain girl" in the early chapters is intended to be intended to be a mean version of Medaka? She looks similar and is also extremely competent in any case.
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I didn't pick up on that myself. If I did I would've recommended it to you, but I personally didn't enjoy it too much, or see noteworthy parallels.
 
Jesterofgames said:
You know I'm kinda curious about what revisions are planned?
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Key changes (for Medaka especially), as well as AP. Most of the characters are going to be 9-A or 8-C I'm guessing.
Jesterofgames said:
I am aware it'd be mftl+, I'm just not certain it specifically is an outlier considering how up in the air most of medaka boxes stats are and medaka already being considered "casually" near light speed (like 1-5% light speed?). Hence why i mentioned it here for other's to judge.
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Ehhh. That probably wouldn't count because only the attack speed of it is that fast. Medaka stopped Ajimu before she even did anything so no, it wouldn't count for anything higher imo.
Antvasima said:
See here please:
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I can sort of see it.
 
Agnaa said:
Mostly AP and formatting.

  1. We don't treat that feat as real due to all the weirdness with it; it's a recording within a dream world where she has capabilities she doesn't in reality (i.e. being unsealed when she was IRL) being played back after she died. That's why her tier's Unknown, possibly 3-A, instead of At least 4-C, possibly 3-A.
  2. It's a bit weird given the way it was all framed. The scan you're referring to is this one which is the last page of the chapter. I wouldn't necessarily assume that this means the bang went off before Medaka started moving, rather than assuming that this ending hid information (that Medaka stopped it) for dramatic effect until the next chapter (MB, and media as a whole, does this a lot). Meaning that it could've been similar to an aimdodge.
  3. She was said to stop it with Kurokami Phantom Original Version, which has other statements about its speed both before and after this, establishing it as at or not too far above lightspeed.
  4. Seems like a random audience member said that for this feat Medaka stopped Ajimu with sonic speed. I'd consider this a low-end outlier view, but it still works in contrast to your idea.
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Fair, I was just wondering.
Though I personally disagree with point 1 myself. 2-4 are all fair points.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
I've always been iffy on the dream stuff, because Ajimu in the dreams is described as her prime self. If she was just called a dream self or something similar, that would be the end of it.
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I just think that's weird because, if that actually existed somewhere as some place real, couldn't she use Alibi Block to just take that unsealed prime self to the real world? Plus, she talks a lot about those places where she communicates with Kumagawa being a dream. Looking back, I found something even weirder; Ajimu says that when Kumagawa dies, he doesn't see her, he sees the version of her that comes from his heart.
 
Agnaa said:
I just think that's weird because, if that actually existed somewhere as some place real, couldn't she use Alibi Block to just take that unsealed prime self to the real world? Plus, she talks a lot about those places where she communicates with Kumagawa being a dream. Looking back, I found something even weirder; Ajimu says that when Kumagawa dies, he doesn't see her, he sees the version of her that comes from his heart.
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Even with this, I still find it odd that this Ajimu which is described as her prime self would have some different powers/different feats when nothing states that they so vastly different from each other and some of the feats from the dreams are included on Ajimu's profile as NPI. But at the same time, I kinda understand why the feats from the dreams aren't used anyway.

But maybe it's just Kumagawa's Ajimu that's vastly different? I don't even know myself.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Even with this, I still find it odd that this Ajimu which is described as her prime self would have some different powers/different feats when nothing states that they so vastly different from each other
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It's not so much that, but that the events of the dream wouldn't really be taken as possible in reality.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
and some of the feats from the dreams are included on Ajimu's profile as NPI.
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I had no clue what you were talking about; turns out that was added 3 months ago in a thread none of the knowledgeable staff members on MB participated in. I don't consider this legitimate at all, and can see many issues with the stuff added.

But you're right that including one and not the other is inconsistent.

@DontTalkDT @Antvasima Y'all got any thoughts on that?

EDIT: I've just gone ahead and created a CRT to undo that one.
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
But maybe it's just Kumagawa's Ajimu that's vastly different? I don't even know myself.
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Even then, that's the one that took down the star.
 
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Antvasima said:
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This is the one I’m pretty sure. I’ve sent the calc in question and bumped it a few times.
 
Thank you. It can probably be used then. 🙏
 
I kind of disagree with using that method for static images; in real life shockwaves travel very slowly. So if you see them comparable to rocks, that means the rocks were only moving at around Mach 1.

Still, that's a broader issue beyond this specific calc, so idk if it's right for me to decide to reject it. Especially without a thread.
 
Okay. So do you think that it is better if we keep a standard Moon-destroying energy value instead? 🙏
 
The High 6-A value we get from that may be more accurate, but I wouldn't want to only apply that to this verse.

I'll quickly whip up a thread about this.

EDIT: I've made the thread.

EDIT 2: Actually, thinking about it more, the standard moon-destroying value is for "Punching the moon so hard that its parts fly off and never reform"; since we know that it never reformed in MB, it has to be at least that value, so we should keep that standard value.
 
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Yeah.
 
Okay. And why is that value better than the new calculation in this case, more specifically? 🙏
 
Okay. Thank you for the information. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. And why is that value better than the new calculation in this case, more specifically? 🙏
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Essentially, I think the new calc is flawed, since it's based on the speed of the rocks, asserting a short timeframe because a shockwave is visible.

I argue that a shockwave being visible doesn't necessitate a short timeframe.

And so in lieu of that, our calculation options are either frag over the moon's volume (which would only yield High 6-A, likely an underestimation), or the baseline 5-C calc (which is just "send a planet's mass flying quickly enough that gravity doesn't pull it back together").
 
Okay. Thank you for your evaluation. 🙏

We will see if the other calc group members agree with you in that regard in your other discussion thread. 🙏
 
I will say that I agree with Agnaa on this one, independent of the debate in the shockwave thread.
The thing is, looking at the original picture, what we see isn't a shockwave in the common sense of the word to begin with. (There would be no atmosphere for that) What we see is the moon breaking apart and debris being ejected. That would also happen if you break the moon at the minimum speed to overcome its GBE. The speed estimation as the calc suggests it doesn't work here.
It should stay regular moon level.
 
Okay. That seems good then. Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
He can, at his regular speed, activate an ability to make a few actions take place at infinite speed. Is how it's treated.

Functionally, it's like a timestop that bypasses conventional timestop resistance.
 
Agnaa said:
He can, at his regular speed, activate an ability to make a few actions take place at infinite speed. Is how it's treated.

Functionally, it's like a timestop that bypasses conventional timestop resistance.
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Could you possibly update his speed profile perhaps? Like say Infinite with his zero time amp
 
I think the current is fine. We don't give infinite speed for time stops.
 
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