MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[darkphantom9805]

I'm frankly impressed they can somehow do that, but I'm not surprised they are doing it

Like look at this
The only feat here, is Loki keeping "a life" an infinite amount of universes through hax magic. Is this a multiversal hax magic? Not really. Loki had to be there physically and hold the physical spaghetti branches with his own hands in that specific space. This feat is useless in combat threads as this doesn't apply to AP or durability and Loki has no feats of been able to do this to any other universe outside the MCU because he has to be physically there. By the end of the episode, again this feat is not really a feat. Why? How much do those spaghetti branches weight? "Infinite weight?" Source? There are an "infinite amount" of timeliness. There was no statement that each timeline is "infinite" by themselves. Loki was walking on a plane that has gravity which means those branches had no weight to them at all. I would need a source for the branches weight. Smh

 

[GarrixianXD]

Powerscaling is just ass in-general, ngl.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Like look at this
The only feat here, is Loki keeping "a life" an infinite amount of universes through hax magic. Is this a multiversal hax magic? Not really. Loki had to be there physically and hold the physical spaghetti branches with his own hands in that specific space. This feat is useless in combat threads as this doesn't apply to AP or durability and Loki has no feats of been able to do this to any other universe outside the MCU because he has to be physically there. By the end of the episode, again this feat is not really a feat. Why? How much do those spaghetti branches weight? "Infinite weight?" Source? There are an "infinite amount" of timeliness. There was no statement that each timeline is "infinite" by themselves. Loki was walking on a plane that has gravity which means those branches had no weight to them at all. I would need a source for the branches weight. Smh

What

 

[darkphantom9805]

What

Is he correct or no

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

My favourite one is "those aren't literal timelines but mere representations of them" (Even tho the TVA already has representations of timelines on a literal screen).

Also it just dawn on me the Loki series likely has among the highest kill counts of any TV series.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Like look at this
The only feat here, is Loki keeping "a life" an infinite amount of universes through hax magic. Is this a multiversal hax magic? Not really. Loki had to be there physically and hold the physical spaghetti branches with his own hands in that specific space. This feat is useless in combat threads as this doesn't apply to AP or durability and Loki has no feats of been able to do this to any other universe outside the MCU because he has to be physically there. By the end of the episode, again this feat is not really a feat. Why? How much do those spaghetti branches weight? "Infinite weight?" Source? There are an "infinite amount" of timeliness. There was no statement that each timeline is "infinite" by themselves. Loki was walking on a plane that has gravity which means those branches had no weight to them at all. I would need a source for the branches weight. Smh

 

[Deleted member 11410]

S-so what happened with he who remains? Did still get killed by sylvie, right?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

S-so what happened with he who remains? Did still get killed by sylvie, right?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Yes

oki thanks!

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Sure

I have a question regarding Kamala's weakness, her weakness implies that she is "nothing" without the Quantum Bands but considering that she has powers even without the Bands that weakness should disappear right?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I have a question regarding Kamala's weakness, her weakness implies that she is "nothing" without the Quantum Bands but considering that she has powers even without the Bands that weakness should disappear right?

It looks like it's just talking about how Kamala is a normal human when completely ignoring her special powers, a similar-ish case to Scarlet Witch with her powers and Iron Man with his armours. Maybe the wording is a bit off, but that's how I see it

 

[Deleted member 11410]

It looks like it's just talking about how Kamala is a normal human when completely ignoring her special powers, a similar-ish case with Scarlet Witch and Iron Man. Maybe the wording is a bit off, but that's how I see it

And alioth is alive right? Appeared at the end owo

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

And alioth is alive right? Appeared at the end owo

Yes

 

[Tyranno223]

Is Victor Timely just sent back to his timeline (without TVA interference). I kinda would have liked it more if he stayed around to help out.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It looks like it's just talking about how Kamala is a normal human when completely ignoring her special powers, a similar-ish case to Scarlet Witch with her powers and Iron Man with his armours. Maybe the wording is a bit off, but that's how I see it

To be fair in the Marvels since she is fighting superhuman characters such as kree and helping the skrulls she would still get superhuman abilities, heck at one point in the movies she couldnt use her powers so she had to fight using a scarf against Kree that alone would have given her superhuman stats even without using her powers

 

[darkphantom9805]

What part was he wrong

 

[darkphantom9805]

Found another

Loki's ability to dismantle and physically grasp the multiverse itself within the TVA loom is not a real feat that happened in the last episode. As evidenced, Loki actively manipulated and remove the interconnected rings that uphold the integrity of the multiverse, expediting the process and resulting in timelines that resemble tangled spaghetti branches, all confined within a room subject to gravitational forces. That there is a presence of gravitational physics in the room suggests that the previous branches, compose of energy, are now weightlessness, means that he is not holding the multiverse in his hands literally. Loki's hax magic allowed him to effortlessly maintain an infinite number of universes. This feat doesn't directly affect Loki's ability to cause damage or withstand it. Loki wasn't withstanding an explosion of the multiverse as the TVA building and human characters were also affected, lacking multiversal durability. It meant the initial explosion to erase all other timelines except for the prime timeline. They pulled Loki outside of time with the time slip power process the first time Mobius went through the bridge to save Loki. Loki is unaffected by the time reset as he exist outside of time.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Is Victor Timely just sent back to his timeline (without TVA interference). I kinda would have liked it more if he stayed around to help out.

Yeaahh, what happened to victor timely? :0

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Found another

Loki's ability to dismantle and physically grasp the multiverse itself within the TVA loom is not a real feat that happened in the last episode. As evidenced, Loki actively manipulated and remove the interconnected rings that uphold the integrity of the multiverse, expediting the process and resulting in timelines that resemble tangled spaghetti branches, all confined within a room subject to gravitational forces. That there is a presence of gravitational physics in the room suggests that the previous branches, compose of energy, are now weightlessness, means that he is not holding the multiverse in his hands literally. Loki's hax magic allowed him to effortlessly maintain an infinite number of universes. This feat doesn't directly affect Loki's ability to cause damage or withstand it. Loki wasn't withstanding an explosion of the multiverse as the TVA building and human characters were also affected, lacking multiversal durability. It meant the initial explosion to erase all other timelines except for the prime timeline. They pulled Loki outside of time with the time slip power process the first time Mobius went through the bridge to save Loki. Loki is unaffected by the time reset as he exist outside of time.

It's just best not to give trolls like this any attention

 

[noninho]

It's just best not to give trolls like this any attention

Yeah
Instead let's go to your Thor vs Adam thread, as that seems an interesting discussion that's dying;-;

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

To be fair in the Marvels since she is fighting superhuman characters such as kree and helping the skrulls she would still get superhuman abilities, heck at one point in the movies she couldnt use her powers so she had to fight using a scarf against Kree that alone would have given her superhuman stats even without using her powers

Both Tony and Wanda have the baseline superhuman tier, but they still have those weaknesses

So either the weaknesses are outdated/wrong or that's just how it works with kinda-physically-impressive-but-not-really humans. Idk

Yeah
Instead let's go to your Thor vs Adam thread, as that seems an interesting discussion that's dying;-;

Most of my newest versus threads are dying or dead, so I kinda just semi-give up on them

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Both Tony and Wanda have the baseline superhuman tier, but they still have those weaknesses

So either the weaknesses are outdated/wrong or that's just how it works with kinda-physically-impressive-but-not-really humans. Idk

Tony has that weakness when he is out of armour and wanda when she is not using magic to protect herself.
But Kamala is not even technically human since she is "jinn" aside being a mutant

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tony has that weakness when he is out of armour and wanda when she is not using magic to protect herself.
But Kamala is not even technically human since she is "jinn" aside being a mutant

Despite the Quantum Bands bringing out the latent power within her due to her Mutant genes, Kamala herself is physically a normal teenager and suffers from normal human weaknesses. However, Hard Light still protects her from most attacks

The "Jinn" part are the latent powers that she is now free to use, but she is a normal teenager human when ignoring that, afaik

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Does Tom Hiddleston scale to the entire multiverse or just a couple of timelines.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Does Tom Hiddleston scale to the entire multiverse or just a couple of timelines.

Entire Multiverse

 

[ArkhamDC06]

The "Jinn" part are the latent powers that she is now free to use, but she is a normal teenager human when ignoring that, afaik

Bruh that Djinn thing...I'm not Middle-Eastern but I really cringed when I saw what they did to Djinns. At least Asgardians are a bit close to what Norse Gods are in mythology

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The "Jinn" part are the latent powers that she is now free to use, but she is a normal teenager human when ignoring that, afaik

She has 2 different sources of power one her Djinn part allows her to get energy from the noor dimension and the second one her mutant gene allows her to use that energy to create those hard light constructs.
She being a character capable of energy manipulation she could easily have superhuman physical stats by amping herself with energy.
She has superhuman feats, i mean sure her ms marvel series not so much as she is still on a "grounded" background but in the marvels being on space she fights aliens and alongside both Carol and Monica who have super speed which is something that her hard light powers does not grant her

 

[darkphantom9805]

So Loki like blinks watcher and ultron or what

 

[ArkhamDC06]

She has 2 different sources of power one her Djinn part allows her to get energy from the noor dimension and the second one her mutant gene allows her to use that energy to create those hard light constructs.
She being a character capable of energy manipulation she could easily have superhuman physical stats by amping herself with energy.
She has superhuman feats, i mean sure her ms marvel series not so much as she is still on a "grounded" background but in the marvels being on space she fights aliens and alongside both Carol and Monica who have super speed which is something that her hard light powers does not grant her

Haven't seen the movie yet, probably going to see on monday but if she has these kind of feats, then she should have superhuman physical characteristics

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Bruh that Djinn thing...I'm not Middle-Eastern but I really cringed when I saw what they did to Djinns. At least Asgardians are a bit close to what Norse Gods are in mythology

Asgardians are actually supposed to be gods and called themselves gods the MCU are the ones who took an alien approach.
The Djinn/clandestines are a race from another dimension who were misunderstood as Djinn.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

She being a character capable of energy manipulation she could easily have superhuman physical stats by amping herself with energy.

Which is shown through her Hard Light constructs

i mean sure her ms marvel series not so much as she is still on a "grounded" background

We got 8-C and Subsonic for Kamala, which already lets her one-shot and blitz any base Kree not from AoS

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Haven't seen the movie yet, probably going to see on monday but if she has these kind of feats, then she should have superhuman physical characteristics

She does she reacted to a bullet on her serie so she already has subsonic speed

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Asgardians are actually supposed to be gods and called themselves gods the MCU are the ones who took an alien approach.
The Djinn/clandestines are a race from another dimension who were misunderstood as Djinn.

But the Asgardians are close to what they are in Norse Mythology

The Djinns literally have nothing from their mythological counterpart. Like, nothing (and that's leaving out the wishes later addition). It's probably just me but being a huge fan of mythological stories (though not necessarily arabic, I'm more of a Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian fan), I really cringed

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So Loki like blinks watcher and ultron or what

Kinda difficult to say

 

[ArkhamDC06]

She does she reacted to a bullet on her serie so she already has subsonic speed

In all honesty, Iman (aka the best thing in the series) is the only thing I remembers from the few episodes I've seen (well her, the Djinn thing and the power changes)

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Which is shown through her Hard Light constructs

Hard light constracts are her mutant ability that uses her energy from noor as fuel its not necessarily everything she can do

We got 8-C and Subsonic for Kamala, which already lets her one-shot and blitz any base Kree not from AoS

8-C is only for her using her powers of hard light not accounts for her while she doesnt use them.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

its not necessarily everything she can do

It's what she's usually shown to use them for

8-C is only for her using her powers of hard light not accounts for her while she doesnt use them.

So 9-C normally via Kree scaling? Sounds alright

at one point in the movies she couldnt use her powers so she had to fight using a scarf against Kree that alone would have given her superhuman stats even without using her powers

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

But the Asgardians are close to what they are in Norse Mythology

The Djinns literally have nothing from their mythological counterpart. Like, nothing (and that's leaving out the wishes later addition). It's probably just me but being a huge fan of mythological stories (though not necessarily arabic, I'm more of a Greek, Norse and Mesopotamian fan), I really cringed

And they explained in the serie that if Thor had appeared on India they would still be called Djinn. They see beings with super powers has "gods" or in their case as Djinn

 

[darkphantom9805]

Kinda difficult to say

Neither ultron or watcher has ever effected that much of the multiverse tho and the wog quote would be outdated as it’s before loki amp

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's what she's usually shown to use them for

We know that it can grant superhuman strenght and different powers depending on who gets it.

So 9-C normally via Kree scaling? Sounds alright

probably when i get better scans we go into more specifics