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We know that it can grant superhuman strenght and different powers depending on who gets it.
probably when i get better scans we go into more specifics
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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And part of Infinity Ultron's scaling is that he's a bigger threat than anything the Watcher can comprehend
Frankly, I really don't know how God of Stories Loki stacks up to Infinity Ultron or The Watcher
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Thing is they have very specific characteristics very different from Asgardians in mythology (naturally invisible, made of smoke, divided in tribes with different powers depending on their type, etc) and none of that is present here. Like, you have to wonder how and why they came up with those specific aspects in-universe. But again, these are the complains of a mythology geek so it's just a personal thing and a flaw pretty much only for people paying attention to that
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Tbf the Infinity Ultron threat happened before Loki became the new multiverse god so maybe the Watcher is simply not aware of what happened (or at least not the specifics)
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Them being called Djinn doesnt mean that Marvel couldnt just bring actual Djinn.
Captain America saying "There is only 1 god and he doesnt dresses like that", he is not actually refering to Norse mythology but comparing the fact that god can be used for both Norse mythology and for the actual God of the bible
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I just realised how little of the actual justification I posted
It's more or less that Infinity Ultron was such a major threat to the entirety of the Multiverse that The Watcher, despite how near-omniscient he is and how he can see past + present + future, cannot comprehend it
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Is there any evidence the watcher is even aware of Loki and the Yggdrasil tree
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But can Ultron actually effect the entire multiverse as a hole tho wasn’t he literally allowed to exist because of Loki
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The episode was literally aired yesterday so until we see more of the Watcher and unless we get a statement from WoG, unlikely
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Like I said, it's just the complains of a mythology-caring guy so not necessarily important
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The Yggdrasil tree is basically the Multiverse. And the Watcher lives outside the Multiverse and observes its totality. So yes
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what ever happened to the art of what if book art books usually give good statements
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Wait so watcher, ultron and strange are more powerful than loki now? I'm so confused...
I thought Loki was the most powerful behind Kevin
I thought Loki was the most powerful behind Kevin
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Does Loki have an art book anyway?
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The art of what if was supposed to come out a long time ago and I can’t find anything about it online on what happened
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I doubt it. The Watcher...well, watches. Loki now essentially IS the Multiverse, he literally takes timelines with his bare hands, partailly merges them with himself (his cape is literally made of them) and reshapes all of it into Yggdrasil. He's above the Watcher to me
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I know but it always felt like fiction in general tend to create their own meaning for big words such as gods, In some verses they base on actual existing mythologys others they just make their own gods or call "cosmic beings" to beings who could easily be called gods too.
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Neither watcher or ultron has shown the ability to effect the entire multiverse only parts of it
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my guess is they are waiting for season 2 to release the art of what if so that it will have both season 1 and 2 if not that they just shadow cancelled it and aren’t going to release it
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I doubt we'll see this Loki again soon so I don't really know if we can ever establish a proper comparison
Regardless, while Ultron and the Watcher are definitely vastly powerful, Loki's feat of literally reshaping the whole multiverse into the World Tree seems to be superior to what they can do
Regardless, while Ultron and the Watcher are definitely vastly powerful, Loki's feat of literally reshaping the whole multiverse into the World Tree seems to be superior to what they can do
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What if is still planned from what i've heard, we even know a trailer exists, it just won't come right now especially with Deadpool 3 being the next entry. Considering the importance of Deadpool being introduced in the MCU and the fan's expectations (and fears) about it, you can bet that will be the focus
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I know season 2 is supposed to be soon but I’m talking about the art of what if book like you’d think they would say if it’s cancelled or delayed or not
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It was released on 9 August 2023 (when my country had its National Day lol)
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I don’t think it was can’t find it anywhere for sale and any place I do find it online said it was supposed to come out a long time ago
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I'm going to ignore that this is the first time I realize afaik meant "As far as I know"
I wasn't prepared for Loki to get a god-tier upgrade at the end of the series. Pretty cool
I wasn't prepared for Loki to get a god-tier upgrade at the end of the series. Pretty cool
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Truee.. also doesn't they affect only some multiverses despite the watcher being outside the multiverse? While Loki reshaped the enture existence to Yggdrasil like you say :3
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Is this site going to upgrade the cosmology blog now that it’s the Yggdrasil tree
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He did more then that bro literally bare handed grabbed the multiverse pulled and weaved it into the Yggdrasil tree and gave life to it with his magic
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Maybe he will return in What if season2, like the Watcher is going to meet somehow or talk about him
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Just finished watching the final episode of Loki Season 2, and it was really really cool. I think it's my favorite thing the MCU have given us since Endgame, everything from the visuale, the music up to the story and dialogues was done really well.
And the fact that Loki now is probably the strongest MCU character is well deserved considering how much he went through. He is the best!
Also, as a side note, I saw people were doing their Top 10 of the strongest MCU character earlier, so I will say who I think are the strongest, not only by AP but also by abilities and such:
10. The Celestials
9. Thanos with the Complete Gauntlet
8. Arishem
7. Eternity
6. Dormammu
5. He Who Remains (with preparation and technology only)/Alioth
4. Doctor Strange Supreme
3. The Watcher
2. Infinity Ultron
1. God of Time Loki
0. K.E.V.I.N. (I hate him, but he is unfortunately the strongest...)
Honestly, I am unsure for the first and second position who is the strongest between Infinity Ultron and Loki, but after all the revision for the latter are completed I plan on making a match to see who will take the title of the strongest MCU character.
And the fact that Loki now is probably the strongest MCU character is well deserved considering how much he went through. He is the best!
Also, as a side note, I saw people were doing their Top 10 of the strongest MCU character earlier, so I will say who I think are the strongest, not only by AP but also by abilities and such:
10. The Celestials
9. Thanos with the Complete Gauntlet
8. Arishem
7. Eternity
6. Dormammu
5. He Who Remains (with preparation and technology only)/Alioth
4. Doctor Strange Supreme
3. The Watcher
2. Infinity Ultron
1. God of Time Loki
Honestly, I am unsure for the first and second position who is the strongest between Infinity Ultron and Loki, but after all the revision for the latter are completed I plan on making a match to see who will take the title of the strongest MCU character.
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The thing that still puzzles me is if it's through his own power, growing from the timeslips and enabling the ability to restructure the multiverse anywhere in the multiverse, or is his being in the TVA, where the multiverse is visible and exists alongside regular humans, elevating him to such a level beyond his own inate ability, like Mr. Mxyzpltk raising the 3 dimensional Superman to exist in the 6th dimension (I think that's how THAT worked).
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The Watcher is beyond the bounds of the multiverse and above everything and everyone else
So this is just even more justification for him scaling to outright Low 1-C
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Should the AP of the Mind Stone scale to the AP of Scarlet Witch since it has a similar power signature to her
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Considering what we see in the episode, should He Who Remains have a profile?
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The power stone is infinite, unlimited, whatever. One day I'll have the Destroyer is uru statement, mark my words, but Shuri as always says the Mind Stone beam can pierce anything short of vibranium. Loki could handle the Septre blast, so it's obviously not unlimited at all times. Wanda's powers were amplified initially, but she's only grown from then, so scaling to her doesn't really track.
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I think there is enough information that a profile for He Who Remains can be made
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He who remains is literally just all of Kang tech + the time slipping abilities he gave to Loki
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