MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Emirp sumitpo]

This is the post credits scene

Omega Galaxy Brain

BTW, do we use the comic adaptations for scaling?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

INB4 we will never escape the curse of Stark creating villains for Spidey

 

[Dalesean027]

INB4 we will never escape the curse of Stark creating villains for Spidey

Pls nooo

 

[Dalesean027]

P A I N

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I swear if Doctor Strange gets nerfed against these new villains, we riot

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Pls nooo

INB4 the raimi films had a version of Tony Stark, and he was a rival to norman osborn, and Stark owned the machine that turned william into the sandman owo

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It's weird, a lot of her reasoning points to her being baseline, and the only thing that suggests her to be above 6-C baseline is her destroying Mjolnir, which could harm Thanos, but Mjolnir's power varies, and Mjolnir during this period of time is only High 7-C.

Mjolnir channels Thor's power. The hammer itself would be 6-C in dura scaling to Endgame. Thor could only do High 7-C levels of destruction because he didn't have that anime moment where he believed in himself until Ragnarok.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Mjolnir channels Thor's power. The hammer itself would be 6-C in dura scaling to Endgame. Thor could only do High 7-C levels of destruction because he didn't have that anime moment where he believed in himself until Ragnarok.

Ah I see

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I swear if Doctor Strange gets nerfed against these new villains, we riot

It's still a Spider-Man movie first and foremost. I believe Strange will have very little to do with the actual fighting and will be more involved with the multiverse stuff that will lead into Multiverse of Madness.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

BTW, do we use the comic adaptations for scaling?

Also this? Because Iron Man's Mark 6 lasers are stated as City level or 47.801147227533462569 Megatons of TNT. It's kinda iffy imo, but I thought I might as well point it out

 

[Loyd]

They just dropped the trailer

Ok if i wasn't hyped before i am now, Dr strange is lowkey a fkn beast hes already dropping multiversal statements i wonder how hes gonna top it in multiverse of madness.

 

[Dalesean027]

Also this? Because Iron Man's Mark 6 lasers are stated as City level or 47.801147227533462569 Megatons of TNT. It's kinda iffy imo, but I thought I might as well point it out

You'll have to check that one with staff probably to see if it can be used because it is indeed iffy but at least it'd be something we can probably use to buff out some mid/high tiers

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Also this? Because Iron Man's Mark 6 lasers are stated as City level or 47.801147227533462569 Megatons of TNT. It's kinda iffy imo, but I thought I might as well point it out

If we really take this, the fact his earliest suit's lasers have more power than the hulkbuster is sad

 

[Dalesean027]

Meme potential is in full effect with this one

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

This is the post credits scene

Massive wheeze

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It's weird, a lot of her reasoning points to her being baseline, and the only thing that suggests her to be above 6-C baseline is her destroying Mjolnir, which could harm Thanos, but Mjolnir's power varies, and Mjolnir during this period of time is only High 7-C.

Mjolnir channels Thor's power. The hammer itself would be 6-C in dura scaling to Endgame. Thor could only do High 7-C levels of destruction because he didn't have that anime moment where he believed in himself until Ragnarok.

I see, so she's inderd above baseline, how much number the baseline 6-C again?

 

[Dalesean027]

I see, so she's inderd above baseline, how much number the baseline 6-C again?

4.3 gigatons and for the record the snap is 5 gigatons and Thanos endured that.

Awakened Thor is 3.7 gigatons I believe so that's where the High 7-A comes from

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Just wondering, but why was Low 6-B and High 6-B MCU downgraded?

Also it's funny how the god tiers so conveniently have a High 7-A+ feat and a baseline 6-C feat lmao

 

[Dalesean027]

Just wondering, but why was Low 6-B and High 6-B MCU downgraded?

EXCUSE ME WHAT!??? WHEN WAS THAT A THING, MY DAY IS RUINED AND MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

EXCUSE ME WHAT!??? WHEN WAS THAT A THING, MY DAY IS RUINED AND MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE

AFAIK, they were originally High 6-B, then Low 6-B, then 7-B, then High 7-A+ to 6-C

Also I swear to god there's a statement about Thor being able to destroy Sokovia somwhere but I can't find it smh. Could Thor's Mjolnir mountain shake feat be calculated?

 

[Dalesean027]

they were originally High 6-B, then Low 6-B,

Yeah we're going to need these back let's see the scale of these other phase 4 films and completely surpass that level (Thor 4, MoM, Shang-Chi apparently, Eternals, and potentially Cap Marvel)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

4.3 gigatons and for the record the snap is 5 gigatons and Thanos endured that.

Awakened Thor is 3.7 gigatons I believe so that's where the High 7-A comes from

5 Gigatons, that make Hela AP above 5 Gigatons

Hmmm....still not enough for competeting with a 10 Gigatons or 24 Gigatons opponents

 

[Dalesean027]

5 Gigatons, that make Hela AP above 5 Gigatons

Hmmm....still not enough for competeting with a 10 Gigatons or 24 Gigatons opponents

Yeah lol that's a stomp

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

competeting with a 10 Gigatons

I mean... it's a less than 2x gap and less than 4.8 x gap. Not enough for an AP stomp

 

[Dalesean027]

I mean... it's a less than 2x gap

Yeah that's fine her abilities can also influence a battle like that but it's the 24 Gigatons that I was referring to as being a stomp

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah that's fine her abilities can also influence a battle like that but it's the 24 Gigatons that I was referring to as being a stomp

It's an under 4.8x difference. It needs to be a 7.5x difference in order for an AP stomp

 

[ArkhamDC06]

EXCUSE ME WHAT!??? WHEN WAS THAT A THING, MY DAY IS RUINED AND MY DISAPPOINTMENT IS IMMEASURABLE

Long ago, in times now nearly forgotten, the MCU was High 6-B and later got downgraded to Low 6-B.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

How much we multiplied the above baseline? Which result we get?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Just saw the teaser. I'll admit, my excitement for the MCU has returned. Feels like some nerd fantasy.

Also, Strange has fire manip now and of course, that famous spell destabilizing space-time...Low 2-C or even 2-C? Oh that seems great.

 

[Dalesean027]

It's an under 4.8x difference. It needs to be a 7.5x difference in order for an AP stomp

Ah okay I thought it was less

 

[Dinobot1996]

Also this? Because Iron Man's Mark 6 lasers are stated as City level or 47.801147227533462569 Megatons of TNT. It's kinda iffy imo, but I thought I might as well point it out

Iron Man 2 made a point of treating those lasers as the Iron Man Mk. 6 armor's strongest attack, which he could only use once before burning out their power cartridges, and IIRC he wasn't really using them more than once or twice in a row even with later suits, so they shouldn't scale to him physically or to the rest of his attacks.(see here for a compilation) So if we accept this statement, he would be High 8-C/8-B, 8-B overtime, 7-B with lasers.

This would bump the High 7-C characters up to 7-B, as these supposedly 47.8 megaton lasers were unable to pierce Chitauri Leviathan armor (00:35 in the video linked above), while Hulk and Thor of course had no problem destroying them. With the midway point of 7-B being 53.15 megatons not too far above the 47.8 megaton laser statement, this could arguably put anyone on Hulk/Thor's level at 7-B+. Do note that Chitauri Leviathans shouldn't scale to 7-B outside of armor durability, as I don't believe they ever harmed anyone on that level, and Iron Man's Mk. 7 armor could still critically wound them in areas unprotected by their armor.

Again, all of this assumes we accept this statement, though it does have the MCU Red Stamp, which I believe are all considered canon (except the GOTG Prelude, which James Gunn specifically chose to disregard as canon and contradicted in GOTG2 Vol. 2)

EDIT: Added updated compilation video with missing laser feats added in

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Iron Man 2 made a point of treating those lasers as the Iron Man Mk. 6 armor's strongest attack, which he could only use once before burning out their power cartridges, and IIRC he wasn't really using them multiple times in a row even with later suits, so they shouldn't scale to him physically or to the rest of his attacks. (see here for a compilation, though I think it's missing an instance of the Mk. 6 using it while trying to fix the Helicarrier from the first Avengers movie) So if we accept this statement, he would be High 8-C/8-B, 8-B overtime, 7-B with lasers.

This would bump the High 7-C characters up to 7-B, as these supposedly 47.8 megaton lasers were unable to pierce Chitauri Leviathan armor (00:19 in the video linked above), while Hulk and Thor of course had no problem destroying them. With the midway point of 7-B being 53.15 megatons not too far above the 47.8 megaton laser statement, this could arguably put anyone on Hulk/Thor's level at 7-B+. Do note that Chitauri Leviathans shouldn't scale to 7-B outside of armor durability, as I don't believe they ever harmed anyone on that level, and Iron Man's Mk. 7 armor could still critically wound them in areas unprotected by their armor.

Again, all of this assumes we accept this statement, though it does have the MCU Red Stamp, which I believe are all considered canon (except the GOTG Prelude, which James Gunn specifically chose to disregard as canon and contradicted in GOTG2 Vol. 2)

Oh wow. That's neat. If we accept the adaptations as canon to the movies I could make a CRT. I dunno if it could upscale enough to 7-B+ tho

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Could be greatly useful for an upgrade. Also I remember the MCU actually was 7-B at a time (I mean characters like Hulk, Thanos and co).

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Could be greatly useful for an upgrade. Also I remember the MCU actually was 7-B at a time (I mean characters like Hulk, Thanos and co).

They were on a much lower level of 7-B, I think like 15 Megatons-ish? This is much higher than that

 

[ArkhamDC06]

True. This if this get accepted, they will be on the higher level. Very promising, especially with Shang Chi coming.

What do you think about Octopus and Goblin's potential tier here? They should be equivalent to Peter since they will fight him.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I was told we can use the comic. I'm making the CRT now. Expect it by today hopefully

 

[ArkhamDC06]

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Part of me hoping the 6-C would stay but making the higher than baseline lel

 

[ArkhamDC06]

7-B would only be for the current High 7-C tiers and co, not the High 7-A or 6-C I think.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/mcu-7-b-upgrade.122975/

Let's go my comrades