MCU Loki: Multiversal Level CONFIRMED

[ParkerKent007]

Loki Season 2 Episode 1 SHOWS him tank a literal multiversal black hole-level force onscreen.

1. The sign on the floor says "TEMPORAL RADIATION LEVELS ESCALATE EXPONENTIALLY BEYOND THIS THRESHOLD - LIKELIHOOD OF SPAGETTIFICATION INCREASES 7000% - PROCEED WITH CAUTION"



2. O.B. previously tells Loki, "You heard about how if you fall into a black hole you turn into spaghetti?"



3. O.B. says "The Temporal Loom is the heart of the TVA. It's where raw time is refined into physical timeline. And it's not constructed to weave together so many new branches, so it's overloading."



4. Loki then gets hurled through the Temporal Loom, which is literally turning the 4th dimension (time) into 3-dimensional matter, on a literal multiversal scale, onscreen, while Loki is on the other side of the spaghettification threshold, without the temporal suit Mobius wears.





5. NASA supports black hole spaghettification:

https://universe.nasa.gov/news/241/what-happens-when-something-gets-too-close-to-a-black-hole/

"Matter near a black hole can be spaghettified, super-heated, squeezed, pancaked, pulled apart, and swirled around all while time itself stretches in unusual ways."


6. Loki got pruned to do this. Season 1 shows that pruning takes matter to the void at the end of time. And the end credits of S2 E1 shows a real book titled "Black Holes: The End of the Universe?"

Amazon product ASIN 0006335098


7. Google Books description says "This book is the first of its kind to describe what has been called the most destructive phenomenon in the universe -- an all-powerful invisible star whose menace is mind-boggling."

https://books.google.com/books/about/Black_Holes_the_End_of_the_Universe.html?id=jzQbAQAAIAAJ

8. Bottom line is that Loki was on the other side of the literal multiversal black hole equivalent spaghettification threshold, and TANKED IT.

9. And of course, by scaling, base level MCU Thor has at least the same durability. Wild, but that's what happened.

 

[Gasper]

That would be resistance to deconstruction or matter manipulation.

Not only do we not give characters star level dura for surviving in the black hole (we give them black hole or/and gravity manipulation resistance) but this could also just as well be an outlier.
Unless you wanna argue every single character is also multiversal.

 

[ParkerKent007]

That would be resistance to deconstruction or matter manipulation.

Not only do we not give characters star level dura for surviving in the black hole (we give them black hole or/and gravity manipulation resistance) but this could also just as well be an outlier.
Unless you wanna argue every single character is also multiversal.

Then give him whatever VSB rules allow. But to ignore this feat entirely in his profile would be absurd. The guy who wrote the TVA handbook told Loki he was at risk of getting physically stretched by a black hole level force. That is what spaghettification means. Per NASA, in 2023:

https://universe.nasa.gov/news/241/what-happens-when-something-gets-too-close-to-a-black-hole/

"This effect essentially stretches out the object more and more as the object gets closer to the black hole, creating a long, thin shape. This process is known as spaghettification, which was first described by theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking in his book "A Brief History of Time."

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And the same dude, O.B., outright stated that multiversal branches of raw time were being refined into physical timeline. Loki got hurled through that. Again, to ignore this entirely in his profile would be absurd.

 

[Gasper]

Then give him whatever VSB rules allow. But to ignore this feat entirely in his profile would be absurd. The guy who wrote the TVA handbook told Loki he was at risk of getting physically stretched by a black hole level force. That is what spaghettification means. Per NASA, in 2023:

https://universe.nasa.gov/news/241/what-happens-when-something-gets-too-close-to-a-black-hole/

"This effect essentially stretches out the object more and more as the object gets closer to the black hole, creating a long, thin shape. This process is known as spaghettification, which was first described by theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking in his book "A Brief History of Time."

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And the same dude, O.B., outright stated that multiversal branches of raw time were being refined into physical timeline. Loki got hurled through that. Again, to ignore this entirely in his profile would be absurd.

I'm not ignoring it though? I said this is deconstruction or matter manipulation resistance, though i'm not sure.
But it's definitely black hole and gravity manipulation resistance.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Ain’t no way surviving that only counts as a resistance feat

 

[Gasper]

Ain’t no way surviving that only counts as a resistance feat

You're right, i forgot possibly limited space-time manipulation and heat resistance.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

And of course, by scaling, base level MCU Thor has at least the same durability. Wild, but that's what happened.

The fact that so many characters scale to Loki (GoTG, Ronan, Korath, Asgardians, etc.) makes me doubt whether this can be accepted as a Durability feat even if it was legitimate

 

[Propellus]

The fact that so many characters scale to Loki (GoTG, Ronan, Korath, Asgardians, etc.) makes me doubt whether this can be accepted as a Durability feat even if it was legitimate

That's because this would be a huge outlier

 

[Emerald]

Massive outlier
Although this can be used for Resistances

 

[Qawsedf234]

Resistance scaling is fine, but it wouldn't be treated as a durability feat. In fact I would like to know how you'd think the plot of literally any movie would go if the villains could clap their hands and erase the entire multiverse.

 

[Excellence616]

Resistance scaling is fine, but it wouldn't be treated as a durability feat. In fact I would like to know how you'd think the plot of literally any movie would go if the villains could clap their hands and erase the entire multiverse.

I agree with this

 

[ParkerKent007]

The glass window of the room they were standing in cracked but still withstood getting smashed by a physical timeline (aka its own MULTIVERSE containing various universes as shown in Doctor Strange's first movie).

So does the glass also have resistance instead of physical durability? Because if the glass is just that durable against the assault of a physical timeline, please explain why Loki's body, which got hurled out the the nexus point where raw time was being refined into physical timeline, lacks the requisite durability? The glass physically cracks from a physical timeline, but remains mostly intact. How is that not durability?

 

[Emerald]

The glass window of the room they were standing in cracked but still withstood getting smashed by a physical timeline (aka its own MULTIVERSE containing various universes as shown in Doctor Strange's first movie).

So does the glass also have resistance instead of physical durability? Because if the glass is just that durable against the assault of a physical timeline, please explain why Loki's body, which got hurled out the the nexus point where raw time was being refined into physical timeline, lacks the requisite durability? The glass physically cracks from a physical timeline, but remains mostly intact. How is that not durability?

Ok even if it still counts as a durability feat, this would still be considered an outlier for Loki

 

[Damage3245]

If Loki stayed there too long, he would have been destroyed according to O.B.

This is not an impressive feat as far as I can tell.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Let's just wait until all six episodes of the season are out before making wild upgrades like this

 

[Gasper]

If you're arguing the glass has multiversal durability then i don't think it's that more unbelievable to say the glass can have all of the resistances i mentioned above.

 

[ParkerKent007]

Ok even if it still counts as a durability feat, this would still be considered an outlier for Loki

The thing about outliers is that becomes a shifting goalpost. First naysayers claim if MCU Thor and Loki really tanked a star-sucking wormhole in Thor 1, that would be an outlier. Then naysayers claim if Thor really threw Stormbreaker through the full energy of the complete Infinity Gauntlet with Thanos going all out, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat seems much more plausible as a result. Now naysayers claim if Loki really tanked a multiversal black hole-level force, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat and full energy IG feat both seem much more plausible as a result. That's 3 feats of increasing power, across three shows, across 12 years. But none of them are valid, because they're all outliers??? Right.

 

[Gasper]

The thing about outliers is that becomes a shifting goalpost. First naysayers claim if MCU Thor and Loki really tanked a star-sucking wormhole in Thor 1, that would be an outlier. Then naysayers claim if Thor really threw Stormbreaker through the full energy of the complete Infinity Gauntlet with Thanos going all out, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat seems much more plausible as a result. Now naysayers claim if Loki really tanked a multiversal black hole-level force, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat and full energy IG feat both seem much more plausible as a result. That's 3 feats of increasing power, across three shows, across 12 years. But none of them are valid, because they're all outliers??? Right.

There is a huge difference between star level feat and multiverse level feat.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

How is that not durability?

What Durability rating is this, exactly?
Can you calculate the kinetic energy or the destructive capacity of time, please?

 

[ParkerKent007]

If you're arguing the glass has multiversal durability then i don't think it's that more unbelievable to say the glass can have all of the resistances i mentioned above.

The TVA can NEGATE the effects of all Infinity Stones, and a TVA agent picked up the Tesseract in her gloved hand on Earth in Loki S1 E1. These same people have reset charges that physically moved an infinite amount of branches of space and time to a void. And we SEE the glass break from what O.B. states outright is a physical timeline. VSB itself acknowledges that an MCU timeline is its own multiverse. But the glass durability that we SEE is too unbelievable?

 

[ParkerKent007]

What Durability rating is this, exactly?
Can you calculate the kinetic energy or the destructive capacity of time, please?

It's stated by O.B. to be physical timeline. Focus on the physical, and how VSB acknowledges that each MCU timeline is its own multiverse.

 

[ParkerKent007]

There is a huge difference between star level feat and multiverse level feat.

Agreed. And I understand why that's a concern here. But that concern does not change the facts of what we are told is happening, see happening, and that VSB already acknowledges about each MCU timeline.

 

[Emerald]

The thing about outliers is that becomes a shifting goalpost. First naysayers claim if MCU Thor and Loki really tanked a star-sucking wormhole in Thor 1, that would be an outlier. Then naysayers claim if Thor really threw Stormbreaker through the full energy of the complete Infinity Gauntlet with Thanos going all out, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat seems much more plausible as a result. Now naysayers claim if Loki really tanked a multiversal black hole-level force, that would be an outlier ... but without acknowledging that the previous star-sucking feat and full energy IG feat both seem much more plausible as a result. That's 3 feats of increasing power, across three shows, across 12 years. But none of them are valid, because they're all outliers??? Right.

Yes. They are all outliers
First, where is it stated that the wormhole can suck stars?
Thanos was not going all out against the Stormbreaker throw, he didn't know what he was dealing with and kinda just shot a random energy beam to stop it.
Bro it's completely different from surviving a star level wormhole and a MULTIVERSAL+ wormhole.
This Loki is quite literally the same one from Avengers and never became stronger or tougher during the series, he is just the same guy. Besides Loki is Small Town level and has his best feats at above the Super Soldier tier

 

[ParkerKent007]

Yes. They are all outliers
First, where is it stated that the wormhole can suck stars?
Thanos was not going all out against the Stormbreaker throw, he didn't know what he was dealing with and kinda just shot a random energy beam to stop it.
Bro it's completely different from surviving a star level wormhole and a MULTIVERSAL+ wormhole.
This Loki is quite literally the same one from Avengers and never became stronger or tougher during the series, he is just the same guy. Besides Loki is Small Town level and has his best feats at above the Super Soldier tier

Are these feats outliers, or did these feats not happen? First you call them outliers, then you doubt they happened. Those are two different arguments. The reason people try to doubt they happened is because if they did happen they would be outliers. That's circular logic.

 

[Emerald]

Are these feats outliers, or did these feats not happen? First you call them outliers, then you doubt they happened. Those are two different arguments. The reason people try to doubt they happened is because if they did happen they would be outliers. That's circular logic.

It is an outlier cause Loki has more feats in the Tier 8 and 7 ranges, and this is the only Tier 2 feat depicted by him
Stronger characters than Loki also struggle doing Tier 6 feats and have feats on this level

 

[Gasper]

It is an outlier cause Loki has more feats in the Tier 8 and 7 ranges, and this is the only Tier 2 feat depicted by him
Stronger characters than Loki also struggle doing Tier 6 feats and have feats on this level

I wouldn't even call this tier 2 feat to begin with.

 

[ParkerKent007]

It is an outlier cause Loki has more feats in the Tier 8 and 7 ranges, and this is the only Tier 2 feat depicted by him
Stronger characters than Loki also struggle doing Tier 6 feats and have feats on this level

Well at least you admit that it's a Tier 2 feat.

 

[Damage3245]

Let's just wait until all six episodes of the season are out before making wild upgrades like this

I agree this this sentiment.

 

[ByArrow]

This is just radiation resistance, at best, plus a few extra resistors.

If Loki stayed there long, he would have been destroyed according to O.B.

And Loki never went inside the machine, he was pulled out before entering the machine.

This is clearly not tier 2 durability. And even if there was tier 2 durability, it would be an outlier.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It's stated by O.B. to be physical timeline. Focus on the physical, and how VSB acknowledges that each MCU timeline is its own multiverse.

So what? High Universe level?

 

[Qawsedf234]

All the staff has disagreed on the upgrade. So we can either give him resistances or just lock the thread until the season is over.

 

[Excellence616]

Let's just wait until all six episodes of the season are out before making wild upgrades like this

We should go with this and lock this thread

 

[Damage3245]

All the staff has disagreed on the upgrade. So we can either give him resistances or just lock the thread until the season is over.

I'm in favor of putting it on lock until the season is over. It's only 5 more weeks.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I saw someone already asked to close this thread in all purpose thread

 

[ParkerKent007]

Lock it.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I saw someone already asked to close this thread in all purpose thread

That's me

But yeah, I agree that this thread should be closed until the season ends

 

[ParkerKent007]

So what? High Universe level?

Yes, that's what I would go with. But lets's lock this until the season ends.