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I mean Stormbreaker easily pushed through a 6 Infinity Stone blast and mortally wounded Thanos when thrown by Infinity War Thanos, it just doesn't seem that powerful in Endgame.
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It was barely used in endgame though, so we cannot say
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We need some staff input for this.
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I think if Thor was capable of replicating his Infinity War feat against Thanos in Endgame, he would've.
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I haven't looked at al the other details, but IMO Iron Man is probably at least comparable to that one meteors KE.
Let me first say that I don't actually know this feat either.
If we do factually know that the surrounding surface area made a truly significant contribution then I suppose it shouldn't scale. And if we are talking about planets colliding them breaking apart is also something that would usually happen.
Otherwise, if the planets remain like solid unbroken balls with the character squished between them I would scale it, though.
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Here's the feat if you're interested.
The ground did get significantly damaged by the meteor tho (While the meteor mostly was showed to be intact), no idea how that would affect things.
Also, what do you mean by "a truly significant contribution"
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About the snap: calcing the atomized body count isn't the attack that Thanos tanked.
Rocket specifically shows with the hologram that they were calcing the energy output from the gauntlet alone, not the snap's universal atomization. They used this logic to pinpoint the planet Thanos was on.
So the 5 gigaton statement is just referring the the energy released upon snapping, and the Low 6-B calc is for a completely separate thing. Otherwise it would have been useless trying to pinpoint where Thanos was by using the energy of the infinity gauntlet because of its universal range.
Rocket specifically shows with the hologram that they were calcing the energy output from the gauntlet alone, not the snap's universal atomization. They used this logic to pinpoint the planet Thanos was on.
So the 5 gigaton statement is just referring the the energy released upon snapping, and the Low 6-B calc is for a completely separate thing. Otherwise it would have been useless trying to pinpoint where Thanos was by using the energy of the infinity gauntlet because of its universal range.
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The problem with this calc is that it takes into account only the beings with souls. The Snap affected other lifeforms as well.
The total energy with that under consideration was already calculated here to be around Solar system level.
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The impact was really small comparing to the Tier 6 KE though so the indication seems to be Iron Man tanked most of it?
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I guess? DT's opinion on this would be helpful too.
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I agree with the assertion that that was the energy produced by the Gauntlet itself (Which Thanos tanked) to produce the Snap on a Universal scale, and not necessarily the universal dusting itself. (Which can be calculated separately and applied as its own AP value, or just be treated as hax)
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Thanos should scale, I am unsure about the others downscaling, the gauntlet was shown to be WAY superior than what can be described as simple downscaling
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Yes, I think Thanos is the only one who can reliably scale to the energy generated by the full IG, as he only retained minor injuries from the first snap (even though, again, he had a giant axe planted in his chest), while Hulk and IM sustained major to lethal damage respectively.
I'm pretty sure Bleeding Edge IM at least somewhat downscales from Thanos due to their fight on Titan right?
I'm pretty sure Bleeding Edge IM at least somewhat downscales from Thanos due to their fight on Titan right?
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So 6-C MCU?
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I guess, but if y'all can find other supporting feats that would be great as well.
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I mean, at most, iron man and co would be downscaled to High 7-A, consistent with Endgame Thor
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Just thinking, but wasn't Thanos stated as being the most powerful villain in the universe including beings like Ego?
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Did the guy who said that even know who Ego was???
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Yeah, true. It's pretty consistent overall.
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So much for trying to scale Iron Man to the meteor's full yield.
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Yeah, big RIP.
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I don't think it would have worked anyway due to the fact the meteor also affected part of the ground and it was far larger than Iron Man anyway
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Like Spino said, the ground impact is really small compared to the meteor's actual KE so Iron Man would have taken most, if not all of the yield anyway, and the meteor also didn't break apart upon impact.
But... trying to scale him to the meteor's full yield of 72.06 gigatons (As the Roche limit version was the actual yield accepted by DMUA as Spino notes) would be a massive outlier anyhow considering how the 5 gigaton energy surge literally left Thanos crippled (Granted he was hit in the chest with Stormbreaker but you get what I mean).
So yeah, meteor feat is wack and has to go anyway.
But... trying to scale him to the meteor's full yield of 72.06 gigatons (As the Roche limit version was the actual yield accepted by DMUA as Spino notes) would be a massive outlier anyhow considering how the 5 gigaton energy surge literally left Thanos crippled (Granted he was hit in the chest with Stormbreaker but you get what I mean).
So yeah, meteor feat is wack and has to go anyway.
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I wouldn't say he was crippled per say, it really was the second snap that TRULY did a number on him imo, but yes your points stand regardless.
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We do need staff input on Thanos scaling to tanking the gauntlet though, we didn't get any so far
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Thanos tanking the gauntlet would only scale to himself, if at all.
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But it would grant others who have harmed him 6-C AP right?
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High 7-A is a tiny tier, and 5 gigatons is not far from baseline 6-C (4.3 gigatons), which even then the snap majorly injures Thanos, so he would downscale from that.
So I think everyone else Thor tier being at High 7-A is fine rather than scaling up to 6-C considering they downscale from Thanos, but otherwise I'm neutral.
So I think everyone else Thor tier being at High 7-A is fine rather than scaling up to 6-C considering they downscale from Thanos, but otherwise I'm neutral.
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Honestly, Thor's feat is 3.77 gigatons, while Thanos' durability feat is 5 gigatons. That's barely a 2x AP difference.
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I actually completely agree with this.
Endgame Thor's feat is 3.77 gigatons, while baseline 6-C is 4.3 gigatons.
The snap is 5 gigatons, so the difference between it and Thor's feat is pretty miniscule.
We know IW Thor is probably stronger than his Endgame self, at least a little bit, and Thanos is clearly stronger than both versions physically.
So Thanos should probably either be "At least High 7-A+" or "At least High 7-A+, likely higher/6-C (baseline, due to the difference being so miniscule and him stomping Thor)".
I'm neutral towards upscaling him to baseline 6-C as well.
I think all 3 options would be consistent with him surviving the snap (s), but still being notably harmed by them.
Iron Man would also be either "High 7-A+" or "At least High 7-A+" due to harming Thanos physically, albeit barely.
Thor obviously scales to his own feat, and probably above Thanos with Stormbreaker for obvious reasons.
So "High 7-A+, At least High 7-A+, likely higher with Stormbreaker" or something like that.
Hulk scales to base Thor, so High 7-A+ for him as well. Note that he was also manhandled by base Thanos.
I'd also like to point out that the difference between 5 gigatons and 3.77 gigatons is literally only 1.326x, so I don't think upscaling Thanos to baseline 6-C is out of the question, and it'd still be consistent with everything else.
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^^^I completely agree with all this!^^^
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Mountain level MCU characters? Eh, makes sense to me.
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FTFY, basically that's borderline Island level.
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Btw, I think this doesn't just apply to Phase 3, but also some of the characters from Phase 1 and Phase 2. Since I noticed that the characters who have survived strikes from Mjolnir are way weaker than the rating of Mjolnir itself.
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Oh ok, nevermind then. However, Mjolnir should've been given a second key.
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I agree completely with this.
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