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I don't think that's enough, solo is a very questionable word when he clones himself
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I’m talking about before that, obviously.I don't think that's enough, solo is a very questionable word when he clones himself
I was counting based on the lines. There are a lot more lines than actual characters visible on the screen. If you think I'm faking it then by all means you may check for yourself, the screenshot is there for everyone to fact check me.It doesn’t even look like there’s a person on some of those dots.
Momentarily ignoring the fact this is AP and not lifting strength, I'm aware off the technical difference in power. However what this proves is that Strange downscales far too much for us to realistically use this as an actual feat, even for a possibly x tier. The best we can get is a "possibly higher", and even then that's somewhat of a stretch, albeit an acceptable one.And like I said, even if there was 100 of them, that is still far too massive of a difference for that scene to work if Strange is High 7-C.
This is lifting strength. This is exactly what would be called combination of power. People just dont exponentially gain strength in a tug of war.Especially since iirc, scenes like that aren’t treated here as being a combination of power,
Except I'm not just saying he's jobbing for the lols. I gave an explanation of why he was, and then I posted evidence of contradicting feats. I don't even understand why we're arguing about this if you want to downscale him from the 100s of Stranges anyways, which throws the single strange tugging Thanos feat out the window.Just saying “oh he’s just jobbing lol” seems like an excuse to ignore feats tbh. Especially when your claim of him jobbing is based solely on people affecting him, which means literally nothing in comparison to Strange straight-up matching him and his clones later forcing him to use two Infinity Gems simultaneously. Hell, Thanos even struggled with the Cloak of Levitation.
I’m literally suggesting he be given an ‘at most,’ not a ‘possibly.’Momentarily ignoring the fact this is AP and not lifting strength, I'm aware off the technical difference in power. However what this proves is that Strange downscales far too much for us to realistically use this as an actual feat, even for a possibly x tier. The best we can get is a "possibly higher", and even then that's somewhat of a stretch, albeit an acceptable one.
How would this be lifting strength exactly? And no, attacks are only treated as combined if they literally merge into one. If Characters A and B are equal, they attack Character C at the same time, and C tanks their attacks, C isn’t treated as having 2x A and B’s AP.This is lifting strength. This is exactly what would be called combination of power. People just dont exponentially gain strength in a tug of war.
I literally went over your explanation in the reply that you quoted. And no, Strange matching Thanos solo and him struggling with the cloak proves that he is near the High 7-A+/6-C range on his own. Plus, I don’t think you can actually prove all of those clones are equal to the original Strange.Except I'm not just saying he's jobbing for the lols. I gave an explanation of why he was, and then I posted evidence of contradicting feats. I don't even understand why we're arguing about this if you want to downscale him from the 100s of Stranges anyways, which throws the single strange tugging Thanos feat out the window.
That is a blatant lie. Thanos was clearly struggling and then used two Gems at the same time to break free. If he could’ve done that in base, or with only one gem, then why didn’t he.Thanos wasnt even forced to use the gauntlet, he was already tugging them all to begin with. Thanos specifically used the gauntlet to locate the real Strange.
Iron Man is High 7-A+, so your point there is invalid. And Spider-Man didn’t come in until after Thanos was already being hindered by Strange and one of Quill’s gadgets, so you have no point there either.Yes, I remember Thanos struggling with the cloak, just like he struggled with Spider-Man and Iron Man tugging him, well before Mantis sedated him, all of this coincidentally in the scene where I was talking about him jobbing. Sssso uh...
I'm just going to say Iron Man has far more feats for being High 7-A than strange, he took an attack from the power stone as well as multiple punches from Thanos, and tussled with a bloodlusted Thanos in endgameIron Man is High 7-A+, so your point there is invalid.
Okay? I don’t see how this has literally anything to do with my point when he’s trying to use Iron Man as a reason for Thanos jobbing. Also IW Iron Man =/= Endgame Iron Man, so I don’t know why you’re bringing up Endgame feats.I'm just going to say Iron Man has far more feats for being High 7-A than strange, he took an attack from the power stone as well as multiple punches from Thanos, and tussled with a bloodlusted Thanos in endgame
I mean, even without Iron Man in the fight, in the fight he still got harmed by Starlord's blasters and staggered by Spider-Man's punches.Okay? I don’t see how this has literally anything to do with my point when he’s trying to use Iron Man as a reason for Thanos jobbing.
When did he ever get harmed by Star-Lord? Unless I missed something, Quill shot him once and it barely staggered him.I mean, even without Iron Man in the fight, in the fight he still got harmed by Starlord's blasters and staggered by Spider-Man's punches.
The fight (Before star-lord punched Thanos) seemed like Thanos was jobbing.
HereWhen did he ever get harmed by Star-Lord? Unless I missed something, Quill shot him once and it barely staggered him.
That’s a bomb, not a blaster.
Literally both versions are one key, even tho we assume one is stronger than the other.IW Iron Man =/= Endgame Iron Man, so I don’t know why you’re bringing up Endgame feats.
"At most" would imply that in some extreme/maximum event, Strange scales. This I disagree with.I’m literally suggesting he be given an ‘at most,’ not a ‘possibly.’
Well, y'see, in case you didn't know, lifting strength is all about pushing and pulling stuff. Strange is pulling against Thanos's pulling. If you ever played tug of war or got in a pushing contest in real life, you would know the person that can lift more is the one to tug the other.How would this be lifting strength exactly?
Thanos casually throwing Strange into the horizon and 100+ Stranges being overpowered by Thanos, along with everyone else who was capable of restricting Thanos, are contradictory evidences.And no, Strange matching Thanos solo and him struggling with the cloak proves that he is near the High 7-A+/6-C range on his own. Plus, I don’t think you can actually prove all of those clones are equal to the original Strange.
He used the power stone and soul stone. Guess who was all destroyed? The copies? Guess who was the only one left alive? The real thing. Why didn't Thanos do it? His priority wasn't to kill Strange. He had the dude in a death grip at the end of the fight, and as soon as Thanos learned Strange didnt have the stone, he tossed him aside.That is a blatant lie. Thanos was clearly struggling and then used two Gems at the same time to break free. If he could’ve done that in base, or with only one gem, then why didn’t he.
Again, lifting strength, not AP, learn the difference. And what you're saying is that Spider-Man was sitting there and pulling for no reason and he applied next to zero contribution to restraining Thanos. If that's not what you're saying, then Spider-Man does apply here and he isn't irrelevant.Iron Man is High 7-A+, so your point there is invalid. And Spider-Man didn’t come in until after Thanos was already being hindered by Strange and one of Quill’s gadgets, so you have no point there either.
You just proved me right then. If Endgame is stronger than IW, then you can’t use it as evidence for IW.Literally both versions are one key, even tho we assume one is stronger than the other.
Based on what is it able to be combined though?Ssso uh, yeah. This is lifting strength, not AP. Therefore, it can be combined, unlike AP.
They weren’t overpowered by base Thanos, so that’s a lie. Thanos clearly wasn’t casual either, so that’s also a lie. Strange was restraining Thanos by himself before Quill used one of his gadgets and then everyone came in afterwards. So you can’t claim everyone there is capable of restraining him on their own.Thanos casually throwing Strange into the horizon and 100+ Stranges being overpowered by Thanos, along with everyone else who was capable of restricting Thanos, are contradictory evidences.
Btw, Occam's Razor supports that it's more likely all those clones have equal strength to Strange than otherwise. Unless you have concrete proof to say that they're weaker?
Him not wanting to kill Strange has nothing to do with the fact that, by your logic, he could’ve just bodied all the clones in base or with the Power Gem alone. But he didn’t.He used the power stone and soul stone. Guess who was all destroyed? The copies? Guess who was the only one left alive? The real thing. Why didn't Thanos do it? His priority wasn't to kill Strange. He had the dude in a death grip at the end of the fight, and as soon as Thanos learned Strange didnt have the stone, he tossed him aside.
AP is a part of restraining someone, so I’d appreciate if you didn’t tell me to “learn the difference” if you weren’t aware of that. Even if that wasn’t the case, a High 7-C can’t restrain a 6-C on lifting strength alone. I would love to see an example of that ever happening. And no, Spider-Man doesn’t apply just because he was there, especially considering that he only came in after other things were already restraining Thanos. You’re acting like he was a major factor and that someone proves Thanos was jobbing when he wasn’t the only one doing anything.Again, lifting strength, not AP, learn the difference. And what you're saying is that Spider-Man was sitting there and pulling for no reason and he applied next than zero contribution to restraining Thanos. If that's not what you're saying, then Spider-Man does apply here.
The clones weren’t doing tug-of-war though, neither was the Cloak of Levitation, nor solo Strange before everyone ganged up to restrain him, so...Well, y'see, in case you didn't know, lifting strength is all about pushing and pulling stuff. Strange is pulling against Thanos pulling. If you ever played tug of war or got in a pushing contest in real life, you would know the person that can lift more is the one to tug the other.
Then by this logic, he shouldn’t even have a “far higher.” Because what is the “far higher” based on? Exactly, him fighting with Thanos.At most would imply that in some extreme/maximum event, Strange scales. This I disagree with.
If two people able to pull 50 kg pull on a rope, they'll be able to pull 100 kg. Not a mindblowing leap of logicBased on what is it able to be combined though?
Yet the same logic isn’t applied to AP.If two people able to pull 50 kg pull on a rope, they'll be able to pull 100 kg. Not a mindblowing leap of logic
Uh... Physics?Based on what is it able to be combined though?
Because two people that punch the same spot with 200 joules of force will only give 300 or so. It's not applied to AP because AP doesn't work that way. Actually, two people punching the same spot will hit each other and feel like idiotsYet the same logic isn’t applied to AP.
I literally countered this in my last reply and explained why AP is a part of it, but okay, just ignore that.No see the problem is that it IS about lifting strength, so if you can't comprehend that at all, then there's no point wasting excess time debating until you can at least understand that.
Do we have to call everyone back for this?? I'll ask some staff againThere's literally no point in me trying to counter it if you don't understand how lifting strength works. In fact, you've literally said nothing except "AP is part of restraining someone", which it isn't.
Frankly idk how else to simplify this to you, so if you can't understand that we're just going to habe to resort to agreeing to disagree and then leave it to popular vote on Strange's tier.
I personally said that even I think that it's a stretch, although one I'm neutral about.I reiterate, why even let him have the ‘likely higher’ at that point.
Hard to respond to rapidfire commentsI literally just said fine, why are you still arguing?