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Is the portal affecting the opponent?
Someone opening a portal has nothing to do with affecting the opponent.
That's not attack reflection, that's Newton's 3rd Law.
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Massive Haki Devil Fruit Resistance Revisions
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Someone opening a portal has nothing to do with affecting the opponent.
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Oh you're right I misremembered how his abilities work.
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What's the difference between a portal and a darkness portal
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Wdym "portal darkness", Blackbeard?
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Yes he cannot suck white beard
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That's offensive, because it's affecting Whitebeard, and we currently give him resistance to it because of it.
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But is this not like putting a portal underneath you? Which is not offensive it's just an ability right
actually I'm starting to understand why only offensive abilities but still
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Looks good, great job King.
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What about Mira Mira no Mi wouldn't armament haki resist the mirrors? It's not offensive
or what if an ability is not offensive but is somehow used offensively? Would haki resist or not? Actually never mind I agree with offensive abilities (I still think haki has probably resisted normal ability but 
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Good question.What about Mira Mira no Mi wouldn't armament haki resist the mirrors? It's not offensive
Would Haki resist getting pulled through?
It resists teleportation, so that's a debate in itself.
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And do they need to activate armament haki to resist it? Or do they needs to just unlock armament haki?
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Needs to be activated.
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I'm not up to date with one piece but did big mom and kaido activate armament haki to not get Teleported?
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We couldn't see them when Law was trying to teleport them
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I feel like if they have much stronger haki that they won't need to activate it right?
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I can't verify it since it's based off of speculation.
Maybe they're using invisible Haki, or maybe it is passive idek
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Yes, as shown by anyone who manages to bypass Luffy's rubber ability as well as hit Logia's.
I understand what you're are getting at as it pertains to effect. What I disagree with is the terms offensive/defensive etc to justify what can and cannot be resisted. I'll say again Haki offering resistance to this covers everything without getting overtly complicated
The point is haki reissts devil fruits. There is no such point (Your point) that it affects non-devil fruits. Your entire CRT yesterday outlined Devil fruits and no mention of other abilities so you still need a CRT if you want to give characters resistances to abilities they have no feats against.
Damage is wrong.
Resist =/= nullifying the damage or taking very little damage. It means you're able to put any value >0 against it. Blackbeard suffered only some injury so he gets it.
I already covered all of this at length.
You brought up Garp for Regen Negation in the other thread. That sets prescedent. Truth is with the Pre-TS we don't have any clues he used Haki. It is an assumption he did and that haki could do that, which is somewhat respectable as Marco's regen stems from his devil fruit, we now haki resists df abilities, and Garp has armament haki (just don't know if he uses it at precise moments).
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Negation ≠ Resistance
Here's what we can say.
It counters those abilities.
Because every time I say "resists", you guys bring up "negation" then argue against the "offensive/defensive" portion.
So, lemme get this straight.
With all the reasoning I've been putting on
You just say "no".
You didn't even prove why it's wrong, you just said no.
I meant to say that Damage said that he resisted using Haki, which is unproven.
Again, never showed to use Haki in that instance. Not even a statement.
The databook says that Garp used Haki on Marco on 2 different occasions (Blue Deep and Vivre Cards), this argument is null and void.
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Isn't armament haki an aura around your body and you can use that aura/spiritual to make it solid... as well as this?
he just released haki out of his hand and is stated to be armament haki... So I don't think you need to activate it but activating it does improve and make your haki stronger to defend against devil fruit abilities
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So you think if someone manages to negate something then that does NOT count as resistance? If so, you have misunderstood Resistance as I already explained it. Haki resists the devil fruit to some degree. This means that you can potentially hurt luffy despite his devil fruit (Such as Doffy vs Base Luffy) but you might not (Doffy VS Gear 4).
I do not care for people citing negation either. I already proposed that it should just say resist abilities from devil fruits so if you are finally on board with that I am glad. Terms offense defense and negate convulude matters.
You haven't proven this at all. Like I said, make a CRT.
That's not really what Damage said. They are just misrepresenting resistance and how it works.
You literally just quoted an instance he used haki.
Scan?
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Why does Blackbeard have Armament exactly ? AFAIK he's never used it in canon. The entire reason he wanted the Yami Yami no Mi is because it powernulls every devil fruit ability on contact - so he doesn't even need armament to touch Logias
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Vivre card.
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Not a great justification IMO
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The Vivre cards and other Databooks are fine as a source.
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Bad denial on your part.
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Nevermind then.
Everybody except Fix, please tell me if this makes sense. Because I need it.
Logia fruits are 1:1 with real nature elements. Resisting a logia ability is the same as resisting a regular natural ability.
Specific Devil Fruits' have weakness to real natural elements. They have ties to regular natural elements.
Devil Fruits have nothing different from regular abilities except the source of the power.
Devil Fruit users do not require Devil Fruits to counter their abilities.
Devil Fruit users use scientific facts to amplify their abilities (Foxy uses Mirrors for his photons, Enel uses Gold for his lightning, etc.)
If you resist a DF ability, you can resist similar abilities outside of it, yes or no?
Damage: Blackbeard is currently accepted to be an Armament Haki user yet he was burned by Ace without any sign of resisting his flames and had to use his Devil Fruit to absorb it.
Me: We have no proof he used his Haki in that instance
You: Some random stuff
I'm talking about Blackbeard, and I guarantee you he's never used Buso on canon, so I know for a fact I've never done that.
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I understand where Damage is coming from here, but I feel like we have a sufficient amount of examples to come to a logical conclusion. We can't possibly expect Oda to meticulously explain to us how each individual fruit can or will be resisted. That would be a colossal waste of time, and is just an unrealistic expectation given his schedule.
Anyway, I agree with the OP. Good job fellas.
Anyway, I agree with the OP. Good job fellas.
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Yes, that's how verse equalization works as far as I know.
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Yes
if haki resist Magu Magu no Mi then haki resists heat based attacks same with other abilities. Logia users can use elements around them and create them which are fully natural... Yuki Yuki no Mi is a snow devil fruit and she can move around in snow... Haki resist her ability which means haki also resist cold or snow 
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Wouldn't it be more reasonable to list the abilities that haven't been shown to interact with Haki yet as a "possibly"?
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Via the "negate negate negate resist = negate negate negate" people, yes.
Via feats, no.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I have a question.
Doesn't haki specifically allow you to resist abilities from devil fruits, and not that power in general? Like, if Haki allows you to resist Enel's electricity because it specifically comes from a devil fruit, it doesn't mean it allows you to resist electricity from, idk, Zeus or Pikachu.
I need to know if it's one way or the other, and if the thing has been discussed.
Doesn't haki specifically allow you to resist abilities from devil fruits, and not that power in general? Like, if Haki allows you to resist Enel's electricity because it specifically comes from a devil fruit, it doesn't mean it allows you to resist electricity from, idk, Zeus or Pikachu.
I need to know if it's one way or the other, and if the thing has been discussed.
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No... This is the same as katakuri dodging luffy with haki... If the haki touches buggy then it will hit
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Haki resist electricity yes... Every type of electricity... Maybe not haki infused electricity... Haki can't be affected by mostly anything... It's like a ghost but solid
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Actually that's kinda true. Haki users can physically interact with say, a Mera Mera user (Flame human) but they can't do anything to Prometheus - who is just fire imbued with a soul
Of course, they can defend themselves against a fire attack more effectively with armament because it's also a defensive technique. I feel the same would hold for electrical attacks too
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