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You'd think not, if the statements in support of this specifically say that users can resist Devil Fruit abilities. Why wouldn't it just say "all abilities"?
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Massive Haki Devil Fruit Resistance Revisions
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You'd think not, if the statements in support of this specifically say that users can resist Devil Fruit abilities. Why wouldn't it just say "all abilities"?
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Because they negate the intangibility to hit the true body.
Prometheus has no true body. Negate his intangibility and there's nothing to hit.
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So it's not real NPI, it's limited to Logia DF users only
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It's not NPI at all, it's Elemental Intangibility Negation, 2 different things.
Yes, when Big Mom and Kaido couldn't get teleported by Law because they had superior Haki
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I agree with the CRT
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Let me give you an example I feel like we can both agree on,
The Truth Seeking Balls have been stated to nullify All Ninjutsu it comes in contact with. For that it was logically awarded with Power Nullification, but the TSBs haven't actually been demonstrated, on-screen, to nullify every Ninjutsu under the sun (Because that would be ridiculous lol). Does that mean we should limit the Power Nullification to only the abilities we've seen negated, when we know for a fact it would work on anything as long as it can be physically touched and doesn't have Senjutsu?
I know that Haki is a bit harder to quantify because it's not straight up negation/nullification, but rather resistance, and DFs have more confusing categories. Still, the umbrella statement should cover them all I think.
We haven't seen the TSOs negating a Water bullet, and we haven't seen Armament Haki resisting Sugar's DF, but I feel like it's a pretty safe assumption that both would successfully do those things. This belief of mine has been even further reinforced after the recent events involving Law.
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Then that's all you need by site rules
Anyways i agree with this
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At the end of the day, its resistance.
Someone with higher potency can overpower it.
This won't become the "Haki blocks everything gg" or "Reaitsu Crush Nen Crush gg" treatment, this is "do you have superior potency? Yes, okay then. No? Wow"
All it is is a lot of resistances. This is why I heavily disagreed in the previous threads to make it power nullification, because that would be
A. Too broken
B. Incorrect
Someone with higher potency can overpower it.
This won't become the "Haki blocks everything gg" or "Reaitsu Crush Nen Crush gg" treatment, this is "do you have superior potency? Yes, okay then. No? Wow"
All it is is a lot of resistances. This is why I heavily disagreed in the previous threads to make it power nullification, because that would be
A. Too broken
B. Incorrect
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So, if I got it right the thing is that haki users don't have a "pure" resistance to all those powers in general, they resist them when they originate from Devil Fruits. Is it correct?
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Is that true tho? So your saying if it's hot enough it can affect armament haki? Or are you talking about attack potency
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Hot enough.
Resistance
Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...
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But there is literally no showings of haki getting affected by hot stuff... Even against hotter stuff... There is nothing that suggests that if the ability is stronger it can affect armament haki. Where does that even come from?Hot enough.
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Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...
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Because it's common sense...
If the literal sun fell on you, do you think Haki's stopping it? No.
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That's a NLF, which we don't accept.
The thread is targeting resistance, not immunity, which is the main thing I'm trying to AVOID.
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Oh ok... But there are statements and showing that haki not getting affected at all by the devil fruit's abilities... Never has it even a little bit been affected so why will it be... if it's hotter or colder? If this is the case then it's literally impossible to make some immune to something
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Because the abilities inside One Piece are not the peak prowess of heat or cold throughout fiction.
The minimum that the Mera Mera should be capable of is burning word. Haki should resist that, making it whatever temperature is > burning wood.
If somebody passively vaporizes oceans, Haki is not stopping that.
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Indeed, it is. Immunity is NLF by definition, unless in very specific cases where someone lacks a soul/mind, for example.
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Think so how do you get someone to immunity?
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Resistance
Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...
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Oh ok I understand but haki is literal will power or spiritual which means fire can't affect it right? Fire cannot burn soul's or spiritual power so isn't that immunity?Resistance
Resistance is the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. The highest degree of resistance is outright Immunity, supposedly making the user in question completely unaffected by such abilities. Of course, simple resistance to one showing of an ability isn't...
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No... and Busoshoku Haki is not Willpower, that's only Haoshoku.
It has physical form.
Anything with physical form is capable of being burned.
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Is this a physical form? It's literally stated to be invisible armor...
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Invisible ≠ Intangible.
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Also doesn't armament haki have a forcefield? Meaning that fire won't be able to even touch it right?
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Armament Haki doesn't have a forcefield, it's supposed to be the forcefield.
@Damage3245 can we remove that?
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Oh...
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Alright.
What do we qualify the resistances for?
I refuse to make Haki's heat resistance the peak heat for Mera and Magu, I'd put it towards Oven's best feats like combusting wood or something instead of passive snow and vaping steel.
We need to quantify the elemental resistances and the other abilities that require measurements w/ potency.
What do we qualify the resistances for?
I refuse to make Haki's heat resistance the peak heat for Mera and Magu, I'd put it towards Oven's best feats like combusting wood or something instead of passive snow and vaping steel.
We need to quantify the elemental resistances and the other abilities that require measurements w/ potency.
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Why?
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I don't think we have a way to fully prove that.
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Why would we scale the baseline of Haki to the peak feats?
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Since it's stated it's a defense against all devil fruit abilities... No matter how strong that devil fruit ability is... That's why you don't need a devil fruit to be a god tier... You need strong haki... If that's the case then it's the same as saying haki defends some of the devil fruit abilities
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You think Pre Timeskip Kalifa can block a fullpower only Magu punch from Akainu or a quake from WB if they use only DF and she uses Haki?
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Did you not just read what he said? He LITERALLY said BASELINE.
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She can stop the heat yes but not the ap and if she has armament haki activated.. Also akainu and WB has one of the strongest haki for a reason... All the top tiers have haki not because it makes them strong... It makes them be able to actually compete with devil fruit abilities...
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No, because we say resist for a reason.
DF abilities are resisted, but do you have a reason for it to be the maximum capacity for every devil fruit?
If so, I'd actually like to hear it. I'm interested.
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Well actually isn't you that need to prove that we shouldn't use haki to resist for all devil fruit abilities? You are kinda saying the same way as saying haki only defend against some devil fruit abilities but just in a different way
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