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What are you trying to prove? You're literally making no sense by what you're saying.
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Massive Haki Devil Fruit Resistance Revisions
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With it, it can defend them against a Devil Fruit users (悪魔の実) abilities ... this does not say: with it, it can defend them against some of the Devil Fruit users abilities
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Defend /=/ Completely RESIST
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yes it resist... If law did not have haki his ability would be mostly useless to smoker because of armament haki
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You just proved to me. Your claim is "Devil Fruits" as a whole. Ope Ope no Mi counts as one. Thank you for proving my point.
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What?
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@MonkeyOfLife
Nobody is saying some except you.
We are saying that basic haki does not scale to the full power of devil fruit users, whether they're awakened or just experts.
Nobody is saying some except you.
We are saying that basic haki does not scale to the full power of devil fruit users, whether they're awakened or just experts.
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Yet no where does it say you need strong haki to defend against devil fruit abilities
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Kaido and Big mom weren't able to be properly be moved by Law because of how strong their haki was. Law was able to move other people with haki easily. (Luffy, Doflamingo, etc) Just having straight up haki isn't enough, it depends as to how strong it is.
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Law has haki... And I don't remember law teleporting doflamingo... Again if law did not have haki he would be a side character with hax devil fruit... Every worst generation can beat law if law does not have haki
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We never said that.
But stronger haki is required against stronger and more potent abilities.
If your haki is level 1, you could tank heat that can burn a tree.
If your haki is level 1000, you could tank heat that can vaporize steel.
Higher level haki = more potent abilities.
I refuse to scale low tier goofs to peak DF abilities.
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Again... Resisting doesn't mean scale... It only means hot, cold and others won't affect them...
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Stronger haki is required against stronger haki users... Not devil fruits
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You're scaling their resistance to the god-high tier's temperatures.
I don't mean AP scaling, I mean heat scaling.
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Yes... Magu Magi no Mi and Mera Mera no Mi is a devil fruit ability... Same with Netsu Netsu no Mi
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You're the one trying to prove that it's with devil fruits in general, why are you bringing up hax? Ope Ope no Mi still counts as a fruit. Not to mention, that law teleporting people wouldn't neccesarily be haki based, it would be based on his fruit.
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So Kalifa's blocking Whitebeard's quakes if he doesn't use Haki then. I've seen it all.
Maybe you're right, but I can name at least 10 people in this thread that won't let that come to pass.
So level 1 haki is blocking level 1000 devil fruit?
You know if this was true, devil fruit users w/out Haki would always lose to Haki users right?
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Which is hax... Same with suger being able to make others into toy while bypassing durability... Haki resists it
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Yes... Literally ever logia that is powerful has strong haki... If an admiral had Yuki Yuki no Mi... Zoro would not be able to act as he did with monet...
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Did I say "they have haki" in that situation?
If Akainu uses NO HAKI and Kalifa uses Haki.
If Akainu uses Red Dog, would Kalifa's Haki completely block that?
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You would have to prove that haki resists that sugar's fruit, but with law's it is already proven but it depends on the amount of haki. You had no way to prove law was using haki to teleport people, and he teleported luffy and doflamingo, who have superior haki to him not to mention. It depends on how strong your haki is, which you're failing to realize.
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I'd say an Oven calc is good to use for baseline.
@MonkeyOfLife Can you summarize your main arguments or your issue? It seems like this is dragging on for no apparent reason, Tempest has explained a lot what are you not getting?
@MonkeyOfLife Can you summarize your main arguments or your issue? It seems like this is dragging on for no apparent reason, Tempest has explained a lot what are you not getting?
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The heat yes but not the force....
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So she's tanking Akainu's heat, a potentially awakened Logia who passively vaped steel, because level 1 Haki > level 1000 DFs.
Yeah no.
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Again I already know this... Kaiso and big mom has Superior haki... So law can't do anything... If law did not have haki... Base luffy can one shot him...
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Luffy had no haki and he beat Lucci's ass. Keep going.
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Are you trying to saying that you can make Devil Fruits abilities stronger...
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Yes and? That proves nothing... Lucci also had a devil fruit and luffy still beat his ass
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Is it accepted? I already know this but I don't think its accepted
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Ok.
I'm not arguing w/ you.
We're not giving basic haki peak DF capacity for resistances.
I'm not arguing w/ you.
We're not giving basic haki peak DF capacity for resistances.
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Sure...
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Without haki, and so did Luffy. He had haki too, and still lost. How ignorant can one be?
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Losing literally means nothing... If you can resist an ability you can still lose... What are you trying to say?
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Yeah, but you're not understanding my points. Law had WEAKER haki than doffy. Doffy's haki is far above his, but HE could still move doffy with his devil fruit. It shows that baseline haki or even advanced haki, depending on the fruit, might not even be enough, or on the person. You cannot scale baseline haki, to someone with a powerful df.
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You're trying to prove that baseline haki is more than enough to completely resist an ability, but LUCCI didn't. Not to mention that he had haki, but luffy could bypass that with HIS df, and bypassed his tekkai as well not to mention. Baseline haki is NEVER enough.Losing literally means nothing... If you can resist an ability you can still lose... What are you trying to say?
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Akainu would destroy Khalifa but she would be able to resist the heat
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Bypass tekkai with force and speed...
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You would literally have no way to prove that. Whitebeard had haki, he couldn't do it completely. Aokiji ALSO had haki, he couldn't completely. We're talking about the heat aspect as a whole here. Ace had haki, he couldn't. You see why you're not making sense here?
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I just proved to you that means he didn't fully resist luffy's fruit.
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