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[Heatforce]

@qawsedf234, they are in a desert in the trailer. I'm sure Bruce provided plenty of high dollar bottled water in JL.


@ssr4vegito, I kinda see where you're coming from. The fight choreography between Aquaman and Manta was iffy but just going by logic, I think Aquaman was weaker due to dehydration and black manta is probably quicker in water himself. Like I suggested the real tell is the atlantean soldiers accompanying manta. Dude was running through walls while Manta seemed much slower, less agile. As a human, he's probably not as quick or nimble on land as Atlantean soldiers wearing their (hydro) armor.

 

[Ssr4vegito]

@Hellbeast. Talking about fight from the 5 min footage

 

[Hellbeast1]

Ah I see (Australian so I don't know when it comes out in America)

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

So are we still waiting to apply the changes or..?

 

[Antvasima]

Apparently yes. Matthew still doesn't reply much, due to being busy IRL.

In lack of better options we might have to proceed with Spino's suggestions.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

pmub

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Also, Steppenwolf's page says his lifting strength is comparable to Superman, despite Superman fodderizing him.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems inappropriate. Perhaps we could scale him from being stronger than Wonder Woman instead?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah. Steppenwolf: Class M (Overpowered Wonder Woman and Aquaman)

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The High 6-B people should be "At least Class M, possibly Class Z" just like their AP rating.

I am not sure what tier Cyborg should be placed at.

 

[Antvasima]

@Spino

Okay. Feel free to update their pages then.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'll update their lifting strengths only for now.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The Superman (DC Extended Universe) page needs unlocking.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so, but doesn't Superman have a higher strength feat to scale from?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What feat?

 

[Antvasima]

The one where he moved continental plates.

 

[Hellbeast1]

That's the Likely Class Z

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Ssr4vegito]

I think the earthquake feat should be the permanent tier the characters currently have 3 tiers in one key. It also seems like Darkseid was present during the ancient war. I wonder how strong is he

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

So are we updating the speeds or...?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if Matthew is not actively contributing to the thread, I suppose that we will have to go with Spino's suggested scaling instead.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Ok so what needs to be edited:

• Upgrade the characters' speeds to what M3X suggested.
• Update their lifting strengths

Just to be clear, we're going with this?

So we need a profile for Cyborg. I think scaling should be like this:

Cyborg: Sub-Relativistic (Able to react and defend against Superman's heat Vision)

WW: Sub-Relativistic (Comparable, if not, superior to Cyborg in speed. Capable of blocking Doomsday's heat vision)

Aquaman: Sub-Relativistic (Can keep up with Cyborg and Wonder Woman)

Flash: At least Relativistic, likely far higher (Able to see the entire Justice League in slow motion, and even see the Superman slowly)

Superman: At least Relativistic, likey far higher (Able to see the entire Justice League in slow motion, including Stephenwolf)

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I disagree with the necessity to change as nothing indicates that the Heat Vision is Lightspeed. As such this detail shouldn't be pushed around and the speeds should remain mostly as they are.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Is there anything else that we need to do here?

 

[Qawsedf234]

> nothing indicates that the Heat Vision is Lightspeed.

Doesn't the guidebook call it red light? It's why Superman and Kryptonians have SoL attack speed.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Yeah, its straght up called light in the passage.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not enough. We don't rank all Heat Vision as Lightspeed just for that. Of course it's a "beam of light"

 

[Hellbeast1]

Yeah it's literally described as red light and exhibits reflective properties.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If we can't treat it as light then it's better to remove it from the profile to avoid future confusion.

 

[Ssr4vegito]

Also what about Flash's SS file where it states lightspeed

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It just says "speed of light" without context. not remotely enough

 

[Kepekley23]

We never see the full file. Could be "near the speed of light"

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

We never see the full file. Could be "near the speed of light"

Still sub-rel at the very least. Flash is also said to be near the speed of light in various interviews IIRC.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Never saw one.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The most I remember is an interview about someone studying blue and red shifting, but that never came up in the movie.

 

[Theblack6host96]

The most I remember is an interview about someone studying blue and red shifting, but that never came up in the movie.

That was Chris Terrio I believe, he studied that for JL before Snyder left.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What AP should Cyborg be at?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Comparable tier to WW and Aquaman? If not then I don't know

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

It's not enough. We don't rank all Heat Vision as Lightspeed just for that. Of course it's a "beam of light"

It's said to be red light and reflects off Cyborg's shield, IIRC it was the reasons for upgrading Superman's Heat Vision speed in another thread.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Comparable tier to WW and Aquaman? If not then I don't know

I think I read somewhere that Superman > Wonder Woman > Aquaman > Cyborg. Trying to find that.

EDIT: Well it was on the DCEU Wiki, and their source was DC Films Presents: The Dawn of the Justice League. Never watched that, so I am not sure.