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Hello there,
In this thread I will be going over how the current dceu scaling is very much lowballed and how the higher tiers of the verse would be more so in the 6A ranges. I only ask that you please hear out my points thoroughly.
1st point:
All the tier 7-Low 6B feats that we currently use to scale are extremely casual.
a)
Firstly let’s go over the Karathen feat which yields tier 6C to 6B. Although there is nothing wrong with the Calc, using this as peak ap scaling of the verse is disingenuous because it’s literally just the Karathen travelling up to the surface of the earth. Not intended to be an attack or it going “all out”. It’s very casual and shouldn’t be used as the high end of the verse.
b)
then we have the Lost Trident of Atlan. The
Calc yields High 7A results. The problem with the calf however is that it only accounts for the visible side of antlantis and not the whole thing.
As seen here, there is clearly much more land behind spanning all the way to the horizon.
And if that wasn’t bad enough it is also a very casual feat and was literally done by accident.
c)
The Anti-life magma feat. Was calced to a high end of Low 6B. Again nothing wrong with the calc it’s just a very casual feat as it was only intended for darkseid to summon the anti-life equation and not an AP attempt.
d)
Lastly, Let’s talk about the World Engine which yields Low 6B. As stated above, there’s nothing wrong with the Calc, however the application of said calc is what’s wrong.
But what does that mean? The current scaling incorporates time frames into the calc and divides its full yield by the amount of seconds so it’s currently only accounting for the world engines beam per second.
Yes it was going to take a “few weeks” to destroy the earths surface and its attack potency should likely remain the same at 6B however, its durability should not.
This is because of Neuton’s 3rd law. The world engine would have to withstand the full force of of its beam going on for weeks without rest or stoppage or else it would destroy itself in the process, which we know they don’t as the world engine in MOS was used in the past shown via the history lessons and flash backs.
According to the accepted scaling, the world engine should not be able to withstand the its own beam for more than a second which we know isn’t the case.
According to the same calc the full feat would come to 6.46570851e+17 tons of TNT which is High 6A.
Not only would superman have to hit the world engine with more force than the total yield to destroy it, he one shots that shit while being weakened
Now we have to determine whether this is an outlier, and if it’s consistent which leads me to my second point.
Lore wise, it is very consistent to for 6A at the bare minimum.
Example A.
Mother boxes.
It is already accepted that the mother boxes would bare minimum scale to surface wiping which would yield High 6A but for some reason no characters scale to it which does not make sense.
Taking from its Wiki page it literally says “Durability: At least Multi-Continent level, likely higher (A Mother Box is unaffected by the destruction of the worlds it reshapes)”
Side note: the world engine should have this same justification for its High 6A durability as well.
But why does it’s durability matter? Because in the Snydercut, superman doesn’t just split the unity, He destroys the mother boxes according to desaad.This would give him bare minimum High 6A AP.
Example 2
Original Doomsday busts a moon. This was calced to bare minimum High 6A Here
Stated that Steppenwolf fought that same doomsday and didn’t just “survive” but this information was given to us as a gauge on How powerful he was. Literally the only feat we see of that doomsday is busting a moon.
Example 3
Further proof of doomsdays being bare minimum High 6A is on Zack Snyders bvs watch party. He says doomsday would eventually destroy the world if he isn’t stopped when he’s talking about doomsdays explosions
Skip to 2:45:16
Based on how doomsdays powers work we know that his explosions are just him expelling energy that he absorbed and that’s how he evolves.
We also know that by the time of the final battle he faces Superman and Wonder Woman he would be beyond anything that humanity would be capable of outside of Superman and Wonder Woman.
Superman is constantly portrayed through out the movie as being able to destroy mankind if he wanted to so no nukes or anything would be able to even force doomsday to evolve so ww and supes would scale to his world ending explosion.
Example 4
Lost trident of Atlan.
Capable of sinking Atlantis which is described as a Continent in the guide book. Already explained why the accepted calc is a downplay above as well as why it’s also a very casual feat.
Example 5
Darkseid described as a world destroyer and being able to turn planets to “dust”.
stated both in verse and By Zack Snyder in his red carpet for zsjl. (Skip to 37:00)
Example 6
Superman oneshotting the world engine. As I explain above, the world engine should be able to tank the full force of it’s terraforming similarly to the motherboxes instead of just a second of its overall yield. Which puts it at high 6A.
Is Snyder’s Word of God valid?
vsbattle wiki accepts the rock’s WOG on Black Adam and Superman scaling. Snyder would have far more influence on the dceu than the rock for obvious reasons so his should apply as well.
Conclusion:
All of the tier 7 all the way up to tier 6B feats are very casual with most of them being accidents/by products and not intentional. The lore of the dceu however has numerous surface wiping (high 6A) feats and statements that its top tiers should scale too.
In this thread I will be going over how the current dceu scaling is very much lowballed and how the higher tiers of the verse would be more so in the 6A ranges. I only ask that you please hear out my points thoroughly.
1st point:
All the tier 7-Low 6B feats that we currently use to scale are extremely casual.
a)
Firstly let’s go over the Karathen feat which yields tier 6C to 6B. Although there is nothing wrong with the Calc, using this as peak ap scaling of the verse is disingenuous because it’s literally just the Karathen travelling up to the surface of the earth. Not intended to be an attack or it going “all out”. It’s very casual and shouldn’t be used as the high end of the verse.
b)
then we have the Lost Trident of Atlan. The
Calc yields High 7A results. The problem with the calf however is that it only accounts for the visible side of antlantis and not the whole thing.
As seen here, there is clearly much more land behind spanning all the way to the horizon.
And if that wasn’t bad enough it is also a very casual feat and was literally done by accident.
c)
The Anti-life magma feat. Was calced to a high end of Low 6B. Again nothing wrong with the calc it’s just a very casual feat as it was only intended for darkseid to summon the anti-life equation and not an AP attempt.
d)
Lastly, Let’s talk about the World Engine which yields Low 6B. As stated above, there’s nothing wrong with the Calc, however the application of said calc is what’s wrong.
But what does that mean? The current scaling incorporates time frames into the calc and divides its full yield by the amount of seconds so it’s currently only accounting for the world engines beam per second.
Yes it was going to take a “few weeks” to destroy the earths surface and its attack potency should likely remain the same at 6B however, its durability should not.
This is because of Neuton’s 3rd law. The world engine would have to withstand the full force of of its beam going on for weeks without rest or stoppage or else it would destroy itself in the process, which we know they don’t as the world engine in MOS was used in the past shown via the history lessons and flash backs.
According to the accepted scaling, the world engine should not be able to withstand the its own beam for more than a second which we know isn’t the case.
According to the same calc the full feat would come to 6.46570851e+17 tons of TNT which is High 6A.
Not only would superman have to hit the world engine with more force than the total yield to destroy it, he one shots that shit while being weakened
Now we have to determine whether this is an outlier, and if it’s consistent which leads me to my second point.
Lore wise, it is very consistent to for 6A at the bare minimum.
Example A.
Mother boxes.
It is already accepted that the mother boxes would bare minimum scale to surface wiping which would yield High 6A but for some reason no characters scale to it which does not make sense.
Taking from its Wiki page it literally says “Durability: At least Multi-Continent level, likely higher (A Mother Box is unaffected by the destruction of the worlds it reshapes)”
Side note: the world engine should have this same justification for its High 6A durability as well.
But why does it’s durability matter? Because in the Snydercut, superman doesn’t just split the unity, He destroys the mother boxes according to desaad.This would give him bare minimum High 6A AP.
Example 2
Original Doomsday busts a moon. This was calced to bare minimum High 6A Here
Stated that Steppenwolf fought that same doomsday and didn’t just “survive” but this information was given to us as a gauge on How powerful he was. Literally the only feat we see of that doomsday is busting a moon.
Example 3
Further proof of doomsdays being bare minimum High 6A is on Zack Snyders bvs watch party. He says doomsday would eventually destroy the world if he isn’t stopped when he’s talking about doomsdays explosions
Skip to 2:45:16
Based on how doomsdays powers work we know that his explosions are just him expelling energy that he absorbed and that’s how he evolves.
We also know that by the time of the final battle he faces Superman and Wonder Woman he would be beyond anything that humanity would be capable of outside of Superman and Wonder Woman.
Superman is constantly portrayed through out the movie as being able to destroy mankind if he wanted to so no nukes or anything would be able to even force doomsday to evolve so ww and supes would scale to his world ending explosion.
Example 4
Lost trident of Atlan.
Capable of sinking Atlantis which is described as a Continent in the guide book. Already explained why the accepted calc is a downplay above as well as why it’s also a very casual feat.
Example 5
Darkseid described as a world destroyer and being able to turn planets to “dust”.
stated both in verse and By Zack Snyder in his red carpet for zsjl. (Skip to 37:00)
Example 6
Superman oneshotting the world engine. As I explain above, the world engine should be able to tank the full force of it’s terraforming similarly to the motherboxes instead of just a second of its overall yield. Which puts it at high 6A.
Is Snyder’s Word of God valid?
vsbattle wiki accepts the rock’s WOG on Black Adam and Superman scaling. Snyder would have far more influence on the dceu than the rock for obvious reasons so his should apply as well.
Conclusion:
All of the tier 7 all the way up to tier 6B feats are very casual with most of them being accidents/by products and not intentional. The lore of the dceu however has numerous surface wiping (high 6A) feats and statements that its top tiers should scale too.