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Seems fine by me.
Now we just need to figure out who exactly scales to this calc.
Now we just need to figure out who exactly scales to this calc.
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Marvel: Supporting feats for 5-A
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@Antvasima I'd prefer if you help gather input for the above as well
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Please summarise what (preferably calculated) feats that you will base the revisions on. After that, I can send a notification to the usual knowledgeable members.
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I'm fine with it. So the ones who scale to 5-B (if we base it on Gray Hulk's feat) would be:
- Gray Hulk (obviously), Bruce Banner (with prep)
- Wonder Man
- Namor
- Colossus (Base is 5-B, PF and Juggernaut keys will have "at least 5-B" instead of 5-A)
- Thing
- Super Skrull
- The Invisible Woman (through powers)
- Monica (In light forms)
- She-Hulk (Sensational is 5-B, Savage will be Varies, usually 5-B up to 4-B)
- Red She-Hulk (Red She-Hulk and Classic Harpy be 5-B, Red Harpy 5-B, possibly 4-B)
- Black Bolt (physical stats)
- Some Iron Man Armors (Captain Marvel Armor, Extremis, Renaissance Armor, the Hulk-Busters, Endosym, etc.)
- Captain Marvel (Modern 5-B and Binary 5-B, possibly 4-B)
- Winter Soldier (strongest weapons)
- Ares
- Cable (weaponry and full potential)
- Nova (Richard Rider Cancerverse)
- Gamora (Both keys)
- Proxima Midnight
- Corus Glaive
- Ronan (Physical stats)
- X-Man (Base)
- Storm
- Rogue (with Wonder Man's powers)
- Apocalypse (Base)
- Doctor Doom (Base and Infamous Iron Man)
- Wasp (scales with her stingers)
- Hank Pym (scales with prep)
- Ultron (scales in his first key)
- Blob
- Hellcat (5-B with Psychokinetic Blasts)
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X-Man and Cable, I believe, should scale to their own feats. I think Drio (?) is working on fixing him.
But for now, I guess it makes sense
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Colussus' PF key scales to Thor though even at his 5A at least... Confluctor has made a thread about it..
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Whatever even happenned to that lol
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Would the 4-B characters still be 5-A or would they be 5-B when holding back now?
Also yeah forgot about my speed revision thread for Marvel too oof.
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Most would go down to 5-B, but there are those who can support their own weight like Hyperion, Thor, and the like
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Welp, that’s a shame.
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Grey Hulk's feat is several times the baseline of 5-B, while most of the future 5-Bs, are near baseline, by their own collected feats, i.e. Grey Hulk is the only character scaling to his calc.
So yeah basically that is what happened, this thread yielded too diverse a selection of 5-B feats than was before, to completely dismiss,.noting context.
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That's the plan, yes.
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Meta information should be used as less as we can tho, so imo doesn't matter :v
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I’d like to note that Carol Danvers should scale to Grey Hulk’s calc because this happened.
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Main reason they're not scaling to the Grey Hulk calc tho, is that Grey Hulk still stat amps and has ALL the reasonings for Green Hulk's holdback, applicable to him.
He's an unscaleable mofo
He's an unscaleable mofo
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Welp
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Sucks, but thems the breaks I guess.
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I'm also VERY confused, my proposal barely got any input and we're already discussing application
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Please explain what you want us to discuss here.
Also, should we give the Grey Hulk an "At least..., at most 5-B" tier then? The 5-B feat is leagues above everything else that he has done, so it does come across as an outlier otherwise.
Also, should we give the Grey Hulk an "At least..., at most 5-B" tier then? The 5-B feat is leagues above everything else that he has done, so it does come across as an outlier otherwise.
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Since his power varies heavily, why not got for something like this "Varies up to 5-B normally, 4-B at peak". Otherwise too many statistics needs to be inserted.
This way, it will be more accurate.
This way, it will be more accurate.
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Admittedly the Rhino was a prominent foe of his (even when he was Savage Hulk) back when Hulk one-shotting a 100 story building was considered impressive, in the very early stories. Against Grey, Rhino I think has only fought him once or so.
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Okay. That is probably fine for the Grey Hulk, but I think that 5-B is far too high to scale quite a lot of characters to. We should find other feats for them rather than scale them from the Grey Hulk's absolute peak.
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I mean they have the feats for it.
Unless I find something to make Captain Marvel and The Thing side suddenly invalid, which I'd be shocked if I do, those characters are kinda too rigid.
And idk, I think noting that these characters will likely never blow up the planet since plot is a factor, 5-B isn't AS far-fetched. Consistency and irregular standard was the big problem with the Grey Hulk feat, both are addressed, so currently the only big scaling revision left is like, tier-irrespective versewide that'll require alot of re-examining.
Unless I find something to make Captain Marvel and The Thing side suddenly invalid, which I'd be shocked if I do, those characters are kinda too rigid.
And idk, I think noting that these characters will likely never blow up the planet since plot is a factor, 5-B isn't AS far-fetched. Consistency and irregular standard was the big problem with the Grey Hulk feat, both are addressed, so currently the only big scaling revision left is like, tier-irrespective versewide that'll require alot of re-examining.
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I'm somewhat confident a few exist, if a bit spread out throughout the 60s-90s. Most of what you'll find in the old stories that relates to that are statements of certain characters being a threat to the Earth or having the power to lay waste to the planet, or turn it into rubble, or something like that. I think I remember some villains making such threats in the Strange Tales horror era of Marvel, before the heroes became über popular.
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I think only Nate and Cable should scale from it, no one else. We are just trying not to find a way not to scale them off Hulk.
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