I meant that his criticism towards you has largely seemed warranted.
I am not contributing anything positive? The entire Post-Flashpoint DC street tiers were 9-B before I came in.
It wouldn't have gotten derailed if you guys hadn't constantly said we are stonewalling/derailing and also calling us bothers. At the beginning I was completely focusing on the Macroverse/Microverse, it wasn't until you started attacking us(that is, you derailed) the thread got derailed.
Because infinite universes viewing the lower ones as dreams is High 1-B.
Can I see this scan you're talking about.
You've got it backwards. Us calling out the behavior that caused the derailing is not derailing. You both came in here with extremely bad arguments and stonewalling despite being proven wrong. Here we are 3 pages later, and neither of you have conceded despite being debunked.
It's the one on page 6. However, there's no dream like relationship between these worlds. Surfer says that explicitly, and they travel in between the Macroverse and Microverse with a space ship.
Strongly agreed.
Yes, we can't allow characters who are 2-C that even 2-C is too large for scale to that.
@Immortalgodd already had a say on it.I see. Did anyone mention this scan?
Indeed. The scan was a settled matter on page 3. It only got dragged out this far due to stonewalling.
Qualitative superiority, and endless universe contained within an atom, is that by definition. Tho, however, the issue was so derailed that I feel I can't even comment properly on the microverse and macroverse, because it didn't let conclude on the Multiverse part.
Working on the blog now.Yes, help with that would be great.
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Sorry. I haven't had the time to do a lot of the scan sourcing and such.
Dreams folded inside dreams is vague nothing about qualitative superiority, if it said dreams dreaming the world and another dream dreaming that world I'd agree but dreams folded inside dreams doesn't mean anything and a possible endless universe within an atom also isn't transcendence if isn't stated to be from a higher dimensional perspective, for all we know those sub-atomic universes still exist inside of the 3-D reality.
In fact, if I'm just going to do something like scientific dream interpretation, I can make a sampling. As in the movie "inception", dreams are layered. The bottom layer does not affect the top layer. A single top layer spoils all the bottom layer under it. So, like dream sampling, layered superiority can be found, in short, an endless layered transition.
I addressed those arguments in my last large reply.
I don't see how it is. It literally means dreams are folded inside larger dreams, and these are universes. It's explicitly stating each universe is viewed as a dream by a larger universe, and that larger universe itself is a dream to an even larger universe. It's a very blatant scan.
The issue with that scan is that it's ancient(I believe around 1968) and came before it was revealed universes cannot exist within atoms(that is, when the misconception was prevalent)
Thank you, but we already reached a common staff conclusion regarding universal sizes in a previous content revision thread, so I would greatly appreciate if you do not bring up that issue again.
That's the point, Sama-D wasn't referring to the Microverse. That's what I have been saying this whole time. So do you agree with me?
Idk what the ground layer is.
Agree with what exactly? I do not agree about qualitative superiority to a parallel universe, even if there has been a retcon.
The 3-dimensional universes for the main setting where the comic book stories take place.
I agree that parallel universes don't have QS, but Sama-D was explicitly referring to universes within universes and directly mentioned QS(dreams and thoughts). So my argument is that he wasn't referring to the Microverse in the first place.
Not sure, I don't remember that being stated.
It goes downwards from the Macroverse, that much I can certain. I am not sure if it goes upwards or downwards from the equiverse however.
Normal universes
Higher planes exist above Marcoverse, Microverse and regular multiverse/quantum realities. so, it's pretty clear dream universes exist in a plane lower than baseline layer.
That means normal humans in alt universes infinitely transcend humans in another universe if it's about multiverse? Bruh.
I am not sure what you mean by layer?
Wdym? Do you mean if normal humans in a universe infinitely transcend a parallel universe? In that case, no.
In fact, if I'm just going to do something like scientific dream interpretation, I can make a sampling. As in the movie "inception", dreams are layered. The bottom layer does not affect the top layer. A single top layer spoils all the bottom layer under it. So, like dream sampling, layered superiority can be found, in short, an endless layered transition.
Will reply later, currently in class.I addressed those arguments in my last large reply.
I don't see how it is. It literally means dreams are folded inside larger dreams, and these are universes. It's explicitly stating each universe is viewed as a dream by a larger universe, and that larger universe itself is a dream to an even larger universe. It's a very blatant scan.
The issue with that scan is that it's ancient(I believe around 1968) and came before it was revealed universes cannot exist within atoms(that is, when the misconception was prevalent)
So Dormammu couldn't have been referring to the Microverse(also the fact he said "worlds within worlds" and not "a world within a world"). The Microverse being parallel is not debatable.
Guidebook confirmation-
Not just that, but before Dormammu said that, it was revealed that the Microverse existed outside the entire Multiverse, and it explicitly mentions the Microverse being different from the equiverse-
3D world/man's universe
Then there is no QS between the universes. if there is an actual reality>fiction transcendence between universes/ what you said as viewing as dreams, then beings in higher universes must transcend over lower universes. (which you said exist parellely)
No problem, take your time
The higher planes that exist above the Macroverse also exists above the 3D world.
Not exactly I said. I said the Microverse exists parallel to the equiverse, "normal" universes other than the Microverse do exists layered. There are other parallel universes too of course, but also layered ones.
