Well okay, Me don't care about marvel but just pointing out that they didn't understood what cantor's said correctly and interpreted it in wrong way while their intentions was to establish several levels of transfinite structures, they messed up the explanation part. But it's right both ways, not much to do ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Intention dosen't matter if the execution is poor.
I am very open for helping out if highly knowledgeable members are willing to help organise and do research for it.
Well, can't be denied, just as sad it is.
If they had used the word wrong then I would have argued against it but the problem is, they used the “word” correct but explaination is entirely wrong and terrible at that.
We either take the buzzword at face value or adhere to the explanation the author gave us. I’d personally side with their explanation over the use of a term they clearly don’t understand.
No they didn't. They think the word "transfinite" means uncountable infinity, when that just isn't the case. The word "transfinite" is still just aleph null and nothing more.
It rather seems to me that they don't even know what uncountable infinity is but just thinking that natural numbers are all there is to exist. That said I'm just saying why they're unreliable given the case. Their entire basics are wrong.
Those scans referring to transfinite numbers doesn't get you any higher than 1 level of infinity regardless of what that 1 level of infinity represents unless ofc there is a scan saying so. In short it's unreliable.
I would still very greatly appreciate help from all knowledgeable members here regarding research and practical structured solutions for how we should most reliably scale Marvel Comics cosmology.Beyond the dimensions of the regular 8th multiverse there are also the following higher realms, so that likely means +1 degree of infinity for at least some of them, although I think that only Overspace, The Beyond, and The White Hot Room had been established to exist for the 7th multiverse, meaning before Jonathan Hickman's Secret War event.
The multiverse had technically been shown to have been destroyed before, during the Abraxas Fantastic Four storyline and the Chaos War event, so we have really at least reached the 10th multiverse at this point, but Al Ewing seems to have ignored that.
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Like i said in my previous comment, they also said one infinity is just two times bigger that the previous one and used the word "transfinite" wrong as well.
There are alot of verses who follows concept of 2 times infinity, still they didn't get any rating higher than what infinity represents.
Because they use it explicitly to establish the concept of qualitative superiority.
Exactly, aleph null should never be able to reach aleph 1 no matter how many transfinite hierarchies you give it. It is completely unreachable to any and all lower infinites.
2*infinity that's still falls over the verses that goes with the same mechanics.
Yes, they are infinite in aleph null sense and nothing more.
Yeah.
He is obviously talking about alephs beyond 0, up to infinity (aleph omega), the author not having correctly expressed bijection, is the same as the members of this forum who usually get it wrong but have their intentions in talking about larger aleph numbers from uncountable infinite set levels and beyond.
This is different though, author/writer of comics/novels should do research before stating nonsensical statements like that.
It should have made sense atleast for what I was arguing unless, they haven't used the word 2 times. That gets even the intentions of the authors under question.
That's definitely wrong. What he said was: "Cantor was the first to study what he called transfinite numbers, starting with aleph -- an infinite series of infinite numbers, all greater than each other."
Perhaps, but that doesn't change the scaling. The guy is a comic author, not a mathematician. The only reason anyone here knows what uncountable infinities and bijection is due to the nature of this forum. Given the circumstances, he did pretty well in explaining it in a way that was understandable to the common reader.
they write stories, not math books..
I get it, but the writer didn't understand what transfinite even means. He says how alephs are transfinite numbers, but transfinite dosen't mean infinite, just something bigger than all countable numbers.
Yeah, which dosen't change anything.
And that is why we should leave mathematics behind and takes the statement as it is considering its fiction, when the maths of the verse is not correct then there is no need to use it whatsover.
Okay, but the statement makes it extremely clear that there are an infinite level of greater infinities?
Yes, in aleph null sense, which is countable infinity.
