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The idea of removing Infinite LS from Heralds will that include Thor and Hulk?
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The scan ain't showing.I generally agree with the OP.
Pretty funny that you are suggesting 5-B Drax in his base, considering that I recently found this 5-B feat in his first appearance while reading Iron Man #55.
While this is actually done by both him and Thanos, it seems clear that the latter was not putting much effort and that the destruction was attributed to the two parties, not him alone.
It's just to safe space, it's not being talked about & it won't be removed. That said, I still disagree with it as the scans crearly say that the wheel of the machine is connected to the tree's use of time, so turning it over to reverse time isn't via sheer force but hax built into the actions Thor's doing.Why was The World Engine feat removed from Thor's sandbox 2-C justification btw?
We can work on that. Note that the 2-C feats happen due to the World Tree, which itself has universes in it. Affecting it has no reason to take as much range than not using it to affect its worlds.Two things:
- Thor's range could use some revising. It's currently listed as "Extended melee range. At least multiple planetary diameters with attacks" despite him having 3-C to 2-C level feats that reach that far.
I have a number of issues with that calc and feat,
- Marvel Comics - Thor creates universal storm assumes the diameter of Marvel's universe is 1 trillion light years, but a recent thread established 1 trillion light years to be its radius. The calc should get redone, as well as every other accepted calc that used 1 trillion LY as the diameter.
Honestly, he and Mar-Vell would f*ck up the scaling.I generally agree with the OP.
Pretty funny that you are suggesting 5-B Drax in his base, considering that I recently found this 5-B feat in his first appearance while reading Iron Man #55.
While this is actually done by both him and Thanos, it seems clear that the latter was not putting much effort and that the destruction was attributed to the two parties, not him alone.
Who said anything about light speed?Depends on context if they're lightspeed. You can manipulate any element and shoot it as an attack, doesn't mean that a denser light that can hit you is as fast as light normally moves. Also he often times shoots regular energy beams.
If you disagree with it, we should discuss it in this thread, as Thor's Immeasurable lifting strength comes from this feat alone.It's just to safe space, it's not being talked about & it won't be removed. That said, I still disagree with it as the scans crearly say that the wheel of the machine is connected to the tree's use of time, so turning it over to reverse time isn't via sheer force but hax built into the actions Thor's doing.
Agreed, but the buff version was much more powerful with the Power Gem than without it.I would think he should have 3 keys; The scrawny one that can fly on space (which later he can't), the super buff one that's super stupid, and modern Drax.
It would appear that the argument that Thor used hax to push the timelines back has been rejected before.
If you disagree with it, we should discuss it in this thread, as Thor's Immeasurable lifting strength comes from this feat alone.
On a related note, even though Doctor Doom won't need a tier change (since Herald Tiers are "3-C, possibly 2-C", making 3-C a fine low-end for Doom's tech/prep/absorption), there is some stuff that needs to be removed (like the Doombot stuff, since the 3-C Doombots aren't from Earth 616's Doom).So how do you thInk that we shouldupdate the statistics of Thor and other characters then, exactly?
Not related but i wanted you to check this outSo how do you thInk that we shouldupdate the statistics of Thor and other characters then, exactly?
I did so earlier. It actually seems to make good sense to me.Not related but i wanted you to check this out
Does anyone have anything to say about this?I updated parts for Drax, Adam Warlock, Mephisto, and with minor stuff for Eternity, Sue, Super-Skrull, Mar-Vell, and Magus.
- He spinned a wheel that was connected to the tree's "natural clock" (time in its worlds), the machine could manipulate the time on the tree's worlds by spinning and Thor spinned it backwards. He did an action that automatically causes hax through the machine's own manipulation of the tree, which is unquantifiable, not on the same level as the manipulated target. Ex. If someone punctures machines on you with a wheel that make you raise an arm when spinned, what tier is it to spin it in reverse and make you lower your arm? The answer is whatever. Replace the target of the machine with any character and the forced action with anything they can do and the answer is still whatever, anything. I cannot say it more clear than that. It's great that it took Thor an insane effert to do this and that he went up against "the combined intent of both tree and engine".
- We say that Thor "significantly affected their timelines", which is that thing the Tiering System says, but the scans only show that he affected the natural time in them to turn back time. This is "even less 2-C" as the space between universes isn't being affected by his action, his action affects the time on those universes.
- It was brought up how Those who Sit in the Shadows cause Ragnarok as a reason as to why it couldn't just be easily stopped, which is quite the excuse. They weren't established until way later. Even then, there is no reason as to why they would try to avoid Thor spinning the wheel backwards just like they did nothing when the wheel spinned like normal and "caused" Ragnarok, regardless of them being the ones who cause it.
- Also, while the crazy oldman is a genius in genetics that manipulated funtions of the tree, considering how his base was an underground internment for superhumans in 1940 during WWII, I would think his machines holding and puncturing the Yggdrasil is due to the tree being not portrayed as having 2-C durability rather than the machines being that strong.
Bump. Also, on a humorous note, I found this Imgur post of Buri, Bor, Odin, and Thor lifting a book of infinite pages with comments by Eficiente deeming it invalid. We should talk about that too.Does anyone have anything to say about this?I updated parts for Drax, Adam Warlock, Mephisto, and with minor stuff for Eternity, Sue, Super-Skrull, Mar-Vell, and Magus.
- He spinned a wheel that was connected to the tree's "natural clock" (time in its worlds), the machine could manipulate the time on the tree's worlds by spinning and Thor spinned it backwards. He did an action that automatically causes hax through the machine's own manipulation of the tree, which is unquantifiable, not on the same level as the manipulated target. Ex. If someone punctures machines on you with a wheel that make you raise an arm when spinned, what tier is it to spin it in reverse and make you lower your arm? The answer is whatever. Replace the target of the machine with any character and the forced action with anything they can do and the answer is still whatever, anything. I cannot say it more clear than that. It's great that it took Thor an insane effert to do this and that he went up against "the combined intent of both tree and engine".
- We say that Thor "significantly affected their timelines", which is that thing the Tiering System says, but the scans only show that he affected the natural time in them to turn back time. This is "even less 2-C" as the space between universes isn't being affected by his action, his action affects the time on those universes.
- It was brought up how Those who Sit in the Shadows cause Ragnarok as a reason as to why it couldn't just be easily stopped, which is quite the excuse. They weren't established until way later. Even then, there is no reason as to why they would try to avoid Thor spinning the wheel backwards just like they did nothing when the wheel spinned like normal and "caused" Ragnarok, regardless of them being the ones who cause it.
- Also, while the crazy oldman is a genius in genetics that manipulated funtions of the tree, considering how his base was an underground internment for superhumans in 1940 during WWII, I would think his machines holding and puncturing the Yggdrasil is due to the tree being not portrayed as having 2-C durability rather than the machines being that strong.
It is a great idea and I feel that long-running verses such as DC Comics can do this too.13. Registration
All the rejected feats from the other thread could use notes or blogs to keep in hand the reasoning as to why they're wrong. The way things work is that wrong comicbook feats are brought up over and over again, and that's annoying unless they're already accounted for.
I can propose them first and then apply them.