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Marvel Comics Revisions 2022.12.07

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I generally agree with the OP.

Pretty funny that you are suggesting 5-B Drax in his base, considering that I recently found this 5-B feat in his first appearance while reading Iron Man #55.

While this is actually done by both him and Thanos, it seems clear that the latter was not putting much effort and that the destruction was attributed to the two parties, not him alone.
 
Newendigo said:
I generally agree with the OP.

Pretty funny that you are suggesting 5-B Drax in his base, considering that I recently found this 5-B feat in his first appearance while reading Iron Man #55.

While this is actually done by both him and Thanos, it seems clear that the latter was not putting much effort and that the destruction was attributed to the two parties, not him alone.
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The scan ain't showing.
 
I also remember that fight, but Drax was vastly powered-up after being resurrected, and was shown to be comparable in raw power to the Merged Hulk in Infinity Gauntlet issue #6.

Then he received the Power Gem, which powered him to such a degree that he could barely lift Mjolnir despite not being worthy, and could fight Thor for a prolonged period of time during the Infinity Crusade event.
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
Why was The World Engine feat removed from Thor's sandbox 2-C justification btw?
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It's just to safe space, it's not being talked about & it won't be removed. That said, I still disagree with it as the scans crearly say that the wheel of the machine is connected to the tree's use of time, so turning it over to reverse time isn't via sheer force but hax built into the actions Thor's doing.
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Two things:
  1. Thor's range could use some revising. It's currently listed as "Extended melee range. At least multiple planetary diameters with attacks" despite him having 3-C to 2-C level feats that reach that far.
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We can work on that. Note that the 2-C feats happen due to the World Tree, which itself has universes in it. Affecting it has no reason to take as much range than not using it to affect its worlds.

  • Standard Melee Range physically (In h2h combat with his arms and legs, without throwing his hammer)
  • , (*) via Weather Manipulation (Can manipulate weather with his hammer across all of Earth)
  • , Interstellar via hammer throw (Can throw his hammer up to this range, having flung it to the farthest reachest of the Milky Way Galaxy from Earth and the hammer being able to return on its own)
  • , (*) via Electricity Manipulation
  • , Interdimensional via Portal Creation & Weather Manipulation (Both with his hammer. Can create vortexes to other dimensions or universes. Can manipulate weather on Earth from Asgard, which is in a separate universe)
  • , Interplanetary shockwaves (They can go up to this range. While trading blows with Gorr, they were shattering worlds and a moon around them<ref>Thor: God of Thunder comic issue 9</ref>)
Any good feats for his Weather and Electricity Manip?
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
  1. Marvel Comics - Thor creates universal storm assumes the diameter of Marvel's universe is 1 trillion light years, but a recent thread established 1 trillion light years to be its radius. The calc should get redone, as well as every other accepted calc that used 1 trillion LY as the diameter.
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I have a number of issues with that calc and feat,
  • If the storm was as wide as portrayed in the calc, it would have destroyed all the buildings and mountain peaks on Earth and the same would have happened in all the planets across the universe. It's more likely that 1. the hammer's thrust being all-consuming was a bit poetic to meaning that the planets were sharing the same storm, as that's where storms happen, in planets & not space. And that 2. its destructive power was up and down across the areas it reached, with some destroyed buildings and mountain peaks in places being the best it can do, not all of what it can do always everywhere.
  • Asgard isn't 1 Diameter of the Universe away, it's in another universe (A dimension at the time even). Any travel from 1 universe to another is unqualifiable as our speed page says.
Newendigo said:
I generally agree with the OP.

Pretty funny that you are suggesting 5-B Drax in his base, considering that I recently found this 5-B feat in his first appearance while reading Iron Man #55.

While this is actually done by both him and Thanos, it seems clear that the latter was not putting much effort and that the destruction was attributed to the two parties, not him alone.
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Honestly, he and Mar-Vell would f*ck up the scaling.

See, they're consistently portrayed across the years among the 5-B and MH+ characters, but Mar-Vell is from super early comics and is from space, so he's bound to have MFTL+ speed feats. Meanwhile Drax is from that era also, and here he is blowing up a planet world (of unknown size, granted). (Captain Marvel (1968) #43) Edit: Actually he was destroying a similar-looking planetoid 1 issue before (Captain Marvel (1968) #42), so I'm pretty sure that "world" was just that.

I would think he should have 3 keys; The scrawny one that can fly on space (which later he can't), the super buff one that's super stupid, and modern Drax.
 
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Depends on context if they're lightspeed. You can manipulate any element and shoot it as an attack, doesn't mean that a denser light that can hit you is as fast as light normally moves. Also he often times shoots regular energy beams.
 
Eficiente said:
It's just to safe space, it's not being talked about & it won't be removed. That said, I still disagree with it as the scans crearly say that the wheel of the machine is connected to the tree's use of time, so turning it over to reverse time isn't via sheer force but hax built into the actions Thor's doing.
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If you disagree with it, we should discuss it in this thread, as Thor's Immeasurable lifting strength comes from this feat alone.
 
No, everyone's Infinite LS at peak comes from Hercules, and they even have no such thing as a peak as opposed to a normal state that already isn't them holding back.
 
Eficiente said:
I would think he should have 3 keys; The scrawny one that can fly on space (which later he can't), the super buff one that's super stupid, and modern Drax.
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Agreed, but the buff version was much more powerful with the Power Gem than without it.
 
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Well, that's intuitive from "I still disagree with it". I'll update new things into the OP and later recomment what the argument was, since you asked.
 
Thank you for helping out. Please make updates based on other input in this thread as well.
 
I updated parts for Drax, Adam Warlock, Mephisto, and with minor stuff for Eternity, Sue, Super-Skrull, Mar-Vell, and Magus.
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
If you disagree with it, we should discuss it in this thread, as Thor's Immeasurable lifting strength comes from this feat alone.
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By pushing his limits, he moved the World Engine, which held Yggdrasil, which contains nine universal space-time continuums, and significantly affected their timelines
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  • He spinned a wheel that was connected to the tree's "natural clock" (time in its worlds), the machine could manipulate the time on the tree's worlds by spinning and Thor spinned it backwards. He did an action that automatically causes hax through the machine's own manipulation of the tree, which is unquantifiable, not on the same level as the manipulated target. Ex. If someone punctures machines on you with a wheel that make you raise an arm when spinned, what tier is it to spin it in reverse and make you lower your arm? The answer is whatever. Replace the target of the machine with any character and the forced action with anything they can do and the answer is still whatever, anything. I cannot say it more clear than that. It's great that it took Thor an insane effert to do this and that he went up against "the combined intent of both tree and engine".
    • We say that Thor "significantly affected their timelines", which is that thing the Tiering System says, but the scans only show that he affected the natural time in them to turn back time. This is "even less 2-C" as the space between universes isn't being affected by his action, his action affects the time on those universes.
  • It was brought up how Those who Sit in the Shadows cause Ragnarok as a reason as to why it couldn't just be easily stopped, which is quite the excuse. They weren't established until way later. Even then, there is no reason as to why they would try to avoid Thor spinning the wheel backwards just like they did nothing when the wheel spinned like normal and "caused" Ragnarok, regardless of them being the ones who cause it.
  • Also, while the crazy oldman is a genius in genetics that manipulated funtions of the tree, considering how his base was an underground internment for superhumans in 1940 during WWII, I would think his machines holding and puncturing the Yggdrasil is due to the tree being not portrayed as having 2-C durability rather than the machines being that strong.
 
Antvasima said:
So how do you thInk that we shouldupdate the statistics of Thor and other characters then, exactly?
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On a related note, even though Doctor Doom won't need a tier change (since Herald Tiers are "3-C, possibly 2-C", making 3-C a fine low-end for Doom's tech/prep/absorption), there is some stuff that needs to be removed (like the Doombot stuff, since the 3-C Doombots aren't from Earth 616's Doom).

Thus, I would like to request that the Doom page be unlocked for me to make these relatively minor revisions that will not affect Doom's tier or AP.
 
Eficiente said:
I updated parts for Drax, Adam Warlock, Mephisto, and with minor stuff for Eternity, Sue, Super-Skrull, Mar-Vell, and Magus.


  • He spinned a wheel that was connected to the tree's "natural clock" (time in its worlds), the machine could manipulate the time on the tree's worlds by spinning and Thor spinned it backwards. He did an action that automatically causes hax through the machine's own manipulation of the tree, which is unquantifiable, not on the same level as the manipulated target. Ex. If someone punctures machines on you with a wheel that make you raise an arm when spinned, what tier is it to spin it in reverse and make you lower your arm? The answer is whatever. Replace the target of the machine with any character and the forced action with anything they can do and the answer is still whatever, anything. I cannot say it more clear than that. It's great that it took Thor an insane effert to do this and that he went up against "the combined intent of both tree and engine".
    • We say that Thor "significantly affected their timelines", which is that thing the Tiering System says, but the scans only show that he affected the natural time in them to turn back time. This is "even less 2-C" as the space between universes isn't being affected by his action, his action affects the time on those universes.
  • It was brought up how Those who Sit in the Shadows cause Ragnarok as a reason as to why it couldn't just be easily stopped, which is quite the excuse. They weren't established until way later. Even then, there is no reason as to why they would try to avoid Thor spinning the wheel backwards just like they did nothing when the wheel spinned like normal and "caused" Ragnarok, regardless of them being the ones who cause it.
  • Also, while the crazy oldman is a genius in genetics that manipulated funtions of the tree, considering how his base was an underground internment for superhumans in 1940 during WWII, I would think his machines holding and puncturing the Yggdrasil is due to the tree being not portrayed as having 2-C durability rather than the machines being that strong.
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Does anyone have anything to say about this?
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Eficiente said:
I updated parts for Drax, Adam Warlock, Mephisto, and with minor stuff for Eternity, Sue, Super-Skrull, Mar-Vell, and Magus.


  • He spinned a wheel that was connected to the tree's "natural clock" (time in its worlds), the machine could manipulate the time on the tree's worlds by spinning and Thor spinned it backwards. He did an action that automatically causes hax through the machine's own manipulation of the tree, which is unquantifiable, not on the same level as the manipulated target. Ex. If someone punctures machines on you with a wheel that make you raise an arm when spinned, what tier is it to spin it in reverse and make you lower your arm? The answer is whatever. Replace the target of the machine with any character and the forced action with anything they can do and the answer is still whatever, anything. I cannot say it more clear than that. It's great that it took Thor an insane effert to do this and that he went up against "the combined intent of both tree and engine".
    • We say that Thor "significantly affected their timelines", which is that thing the Tiering System says, but the scans only show that he affected the natural time in them to turn back time. This is "even less 2-C" as the space between universes isn't being affected by his action, his action affects the time on those universes.
  • It was brought up how Those who Sit in the Shadows cause Ragnarok as a reason as to why it couldn't just be easily stopped, which is quite the excuse. They weren't established until way later. Even then, there is no reason as to why they would try to avoid Thor spinning the wheel backwards just like they did nothing when the wheel spinned like normal and "caused" Ragnarok, regardless of them being the ones who cause it.
  • Also, while the crazy oldman is a genius in genetics that manipulated funtions of the tree, considering how his base was an underground internment for superhumans in 1940 during WWII, I would think his machines holding and puncturing the Yggdrasil is due to the tree being not portrayed as having 2-C durability rather than the machines being that strong.
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Does anyone have anything to say about this?
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Bump. Also, on a humorous note, I found this Imgur post of Buri, Bor, Odin, and Thor lifting a book of infinite pages with comments by Eficiente deeming it invalid. We should talk about that too.
 
Eficiente said:
13. Registration

All the rejected feats from the other thread could use notes or blogs to keep in hand the reasoning as to why they're wrong. The way things work is that wrong comicbook feats are brought up over and over again, and that's annoying unless they're already accounted for.

I can propose them first and then apply them.
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It is a great idea and I feel that long-running verses such as DC Comics can do this too.

For other proposal, I'm sorry that I can offer little help.
 
Can anyone explain how everyone scales to 2A odin ? Odins 2A feat is based on his highest showing against surtr. He is more often portrayed as being equal to Muti galaxy -universal being ( by destroying the 10 th realm from Yggdrasil) . In Dan jurgens run Odin was not even a galaxy buster .

I don’t think everyone who is considered as equal to odin scales to his 2A key.
 
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