Thor Lifting Strength Upgrade

[Excellence616]

Thor's lifting strength should be upgrade to Immeasurable since he was able to push the world engine which held the tree of yggdrasil.
Thor #494 (1995)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ain't this a MASSIVE outlier?

 

[LordTracer]

You need to list the comic that these scans are from.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, I disagree with this. Plus, it's mandatory to list the specific comic book because there have been far too many cases in various Marvel/DC related revisions where people post one specific page, but the idea of it being a feat is later added context that the proposed feat is actually a red herring.

 

[The_Impress]

World Engine isn't necessarily an outlier, but it IS like, Thor at his most unscaleable, since he's at a whole new avenue of strength unreplicated before and afterwards by him.

Like wouldn't necessarily mind listing it if it scales to him and him alone.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Oh, if this was a feat for Ruin King Thor or a similar form, I'd got no objections. But my other point about comic book issue being sourced so someone who happens to have access to said comic can read it up to say it's consistent with context should be done for future revisions like this.

 

[Confluctor]

My opinion is the same as Impress.

For the record, no one does scale to that value of his. This is essentially him at his ABSOLUTE ABSOLUTE peak.


By the way, the source is Thor Vol 1 494. it would he ideal if - anyone wants to read it to also read Thor Vol 1 491 - 492 for extra context.

 

[Confluctor]

Also, this is a good showing of his accelerated development too (not sure if we accept that on the wiki tho). But essentially, he had force himself beyond his limits and grow in power to reach a new absolute peak for himself so far. And on top of that, he says how much it hurts and how painful it is, so I am not surprised that he doesn't want to do something on this level again. So, no, not really an outlier. At all.

 

[Excellence616]

Yeah, I disagree with this. Plus, it's mandatory to list the specific comic book because there have been far too many cases in various Marvel/DC related revisions where people post one specific page, but the idea of it being a feat is later added context that the proposed feat is actually a red herring.

Thor #494 (1995)

 

[Transcending]

For the record, no one does scale to that value of his. This is essentially him at his ABSOLUTE ABSOLUTE peak.

But was it Base Thor at his peak or a special version?

 

[Excellence616]

But was it Base Thor at his peak or a special version?

It was Thor at his peak.

 

[Transcending]

It was Thor at his peak.

Ok, so base Thor, was there any statement specifically stating Thor was stronger than ever or something similar?

 

[Confluctor]

Base Thor but his peak peak, not the one we usually see.

 

[Transcending]

Base Thor but his peak peak, not the one we usually see.

Was the peak peak thing specifically stated?

 

[Confluctor]

If you read the scan, yes. This isn't peak with amps or anything, just base.

 

[Transcending]

If you read the scan, yes. This isn't peak with amps or anything, just base.

Read the scans given in the OP and Thor said he was growing which seems to be the only thing indicating he was at his peak peak(unless I am blind lol). But upgrading with that single statement and a single feat seems a bit iffy so I will stay neutral.

 

[Confluctor]

Well, yeah. I mean its quite clear cut its at his peak. Especially since this sort of things mean death for him, so no wonder he wouldn't repeat it.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

wouldn`t this scale to rune king and more powerful forms of thor?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Base Thor but his peak peak, not the one we usually see.

How does that work?

 

[Confluctor]

wouldn`t this scale to rune king and more powerful forms of thor?

Oh yeah, what I meant by no one scaling to his is other heralds like Hercules and Hulk. But rkt and Odinforce, most definitely.

How does that work?

What do you mean?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Oh yeah, what I meant by no one scaling to his is other heralds like Hercules and Hulk. But rkt and Odinforce, most definitely.


What do you mean?

he mean how the absulote peak form works

 

[Confluctor]

As I explained earlier, Thor is pushing beyond his limits physically and is reaching a new peak in terms of power, but going this far is going to kill him. So, it's not something he would probably want to do ever again. Many characters don't have death wish

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

the only time he replicated that sort of thing was absorbing the god bomb

 

[Confluctor]

I can't remember that arc very well ATM, so can you elaborate on that please

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

I can't remember that arc very well ATM, so can you elaborate on that please

thor absorbed the god bomb and was pushing his limits so hard he was going to die. Same situation as pushing the world tree

 

[Excellence616]

Hercules and especially Hulk (since he pushed a 10x stronger than normal warrior's madness Thor towards the ground with one arm) Should scale to Thor

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hercules and especially Hulk (since he pushed a 10x stronger than normal warrior's madness Thor towards the ground with one arm) Should scale to Thor

Not when he's doing that feat in the OP.

 

[The_Impress]

Hercules and especially Hulk (since he pushed a 10x stronger than normal warrior's madness Thor towards the ground with one arm) Should scale to Thor

No, not the same scenario. By a longshot, again, Thor is about to basically die doing the shit in the OP, and it is straight up not his usual limits, he says it himself, this is beyond his static limits.

Why in the utter **** is Warrior's Madness Thor REMOTELY comparable to this?:

How does that work?

Thor's pushing past his own limits at the risk of his very own death. Unless Thor's literally dying while exerting himself in any other feat, this wouldn't scale.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I know this is Immeasurable Lifting strength what what tier is this Attack Potency wise? Is this some suicide technique that surpasses the God Blast in terms of power? And also something that surpasses Odinforce Thor?

 

[Confluctor]

Hercules and especially Hulk (since he pushed a 10x stronger than normal warrior's madness Thor towards the ground with one arm) Should scale to Thor

No, not at all. No scaling is to be done. Where are you guys get WM from? Thats not the same.

thor absorbed the god bomb and was pushing his limits so hard he was going to die. Same situation as pushing the world tree

Hmm, ig?

I know this is Immeasurable Lifting strength what what tier is this Attack Potency wise? Is this some suicide technique that surpasses the God Blast in terms of power? And also something that surpasses Odinforce Thor?

It doesn't need to surpass God Blast nor it does. But yes, this is a suicide attack in a way. Literally him at his absolute peak peak without amps or special techniques

As for AP, probably universe level or so.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I see, then I'm back to having my doubts cleared and no objections.

 

[Excellence616]

No, not at all. No scaling is to be done. Where are you guys get WM from? Thats not the same.

But WM Thor should be stronger than Base Thor at peak or might be equal to Base Thor since Thor feared going into WM.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Even if it wasn't an outlier, the feat would cause far to many issues to include as some nominal raring since so many people end up scaling to Thor.

It's like Superman lifting the universe because he was super good person. Se things just can't be qualified or shouldn't be used for a comic character.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The difference is that the Superman example has evidence it's a feat for Skyfather (I think that's who the diety person was) and not Superman. And the same guy casted some magic where the universe would lift itself as long as Superman has strong hope when he also clearly admits Superman doesn't have the physical strength to lift it with his hands.

In Thor's case, there's no indication he was amped by his father Odin as opposed to him just using his own strength or Yggdrasil moving on it's own volition. AFAIK

 

[Confluctor]

Even if it wasn't an outlier, the feat would cause far to many issues to include as some nominal raring since so many people end up scaling to Thor.

No, it wouldn't. But in any case, name 10 characters that would scale to him - aside from amped thor forms

It's like Superman lifting the universe because he was super good person. Se things just can't be qualified or shouldn't be used for a comic character.

Irrelevant comparison. Two different verses and characters. There is no correleation. And this is quantifiable.

 

[Confluctor]

But WM Thor should be stronger than Base Thor at peak or might be equal to Base Thor since Thor feared going into WM.

WM is still thor at his base, just slightly stronger than his base self. That's a 10x amp via rage. Still within limits. This is him breaking those limits of his.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Quick question. I know Thor had a rune in the issue, but was it amplifying his power or just letting him release his full strength? If it's the latter, feat should be fine imo.

 

[Excellence616]

Quick question. I know Thor had a rune in the issue, but was it amplifying his power or just letting him release his full strength? If it's the latter, feat should be fine imo.

It was letting him release his full power

 

[Excellence616]

But in any case, name 10 characters that would scale to him - aside from amped thor forms

For me there can only be two: Hercules and Hulk. Especially Hulk since he is physically stronger than Thor at full rage.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No, it wouldn't. But in any case, name 10 characters that would scale to

With everything the Skyfathers, Hulk, Hercules, Atlas, Gorr and Mangog.

Irrelevant comparison. Two different verses and characters. There is no correleation

Restating the same sentence three times doesn't really reinforce your point there.

The comparison is apt anyways since it follows the same principal.

And this is quantifiable.

Its still massively above everything else he has and he'd notably struggled with much less.