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Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C
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From my experience DontTalkDT and Executor have been my go-to guys for feats in the Tier 4/3 range, especially Executor.
Assaltwaffle was also our primary expert, but he's gone now.
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Cool, good to know.
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@M3X @KLOL506 Ok, thank you very much for your help with the evaluations. I have already answered the main questions.
Therefore, calculate the radius of a sphere with the volume of the peak of that mountain.
Jane Foster shakes worlds half a universe away
The change has only been from magnitude 5 to 4, you can check it by looking at this table.
Thor tanks the explosion that ripped through the Black Galaxy
I have already responded here.
Thor creates universal storm
Because the formula assumes that the destroyed object is a sphere.
Therefore, calculate the radius of a sphere with the volume of the peak of that mountain.
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Character saying "Now let a universe tremble!" is poetic, far more so than any of the other things shown. The thing about the heavens could target a small part of it around, not all of them (whatever they might be), or it can as well be poetic. That much cannot be used.
Well, that's not necessarily how it works.
Pretty cool.
Ok.
If planets survived those shakes then so could have that one. As I see it maybe it was special to that degree, maybe it wasn't.
Well, it doesn't need to be black and white, they could have manipulated energy to make the explosion, were not precise to not destroy all the organic matter/did not care to do that, in their ritual, and so that happened. For the rest, as I said they might have took some effect from the blast but not at all all of it.
She could if she kills the person in front of her. Criminals like this can lack the vision to be more reasonable than this.
All those scans are cool and all but do not necessarily add up to the other feat, not in a way that makes it in one go. As a nitpick she says burn, not annihilate. I can see all planets on fire and everyone killed via this w/o this being 4-A.
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1. I am now far more in favor of 3-C than 4-A due to the former having so much more support
2. Just wanna remind whoever will be in charge of instituting these massive changes that Doom's Doombots, Technology, and Preparation will all be among the many things upgraded from 4-B to 3-C
2. Just wanna remind whoever will be in charge of instituting these massive changes that Doom's Doombots, Technology, and Preparation will all be among the many things upgraded from 4-B to 3-C
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It is that the claim ceases to be Hyperbole when it has other similar claims or feats to back it up, such as Thor's claims where it is mentioned that he made the stars tremble, which have other similar claims and adequate support.
Although if it turns out that the Marvel Universe is infinite then this could be Hyperbole.
The other planets were not at the epicenter like this planetoid.
The explosion was created by Stellaris, for something before impacting with the Celestial it is mentioned that he created a titanic explosion, the idea the Celestials was to attract all the organic matter of the galaxy through a vortex, which is shown in the comic, when the Stellaris explosion destroyed all the matter they changed their plans and that's why they decided to absorb the remains by manipulating the explosion.
And if we get picky we'll pay attention to the mention that it can melt stars, plus the fact that it has casually burned some planets doesn't correlate with its true power.
And it is also mentioned that it is one of the most powerful weapons in the universe and that it is the most powerful force in the Milky Way so the Star Brand scales above Mjolnir. (Recall that this comic was also written by Jason Aaron).
But who really scales the Star brand?
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agree just try to scale them of their own feats instead of scaling them
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In that story, Surtur was weakened.
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Actually, now that my love of 3-C upgrading went away, I'm going to have to say that we should do 4-A (and maybe "possibly 3-C") instead of 3-C.
None of the actual calcs are 3-C, and the statements of 3-C without calcs aren't enough on their own from what it appears.
I mean, we can make them "Multi-Solar System Level+" and/or give the 3-C to those with multipliers (like the 10x multiplier for Thor's Warrior Madness), but just 3-C doesn't sit well with me with no actual 3-C calcs
None of the actual calcs are 3-C, and the statements of 3-C without calcs aren't enough on their own from what it appears.
I mean, we can make them "Multi-Solar System Level+" and/or give the 3-C to those with multipliers (like the 10x multiplier for Thor's Warrior Madness), but just 3-C doesn't sit well with me with no actual 3-C calcs
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High-end casual feat calculations 4-A. Explain why the statements and other feats would not be validated for 3-C.
Asking for 3-C calculations is already being too demanding and acting biased compared to other verses, what will be next, the 3-A calculation to confirm this level?
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Even unworthy Thor could withstand the full power of Mother Storm alongside Odin, who as a casual feat can shake planets half a universe away with her thunder.
Therefore Thor Worthy >>>>> Thor Unworthy = A large percentage of Mother Storm's power >>>> Feat of 24 ExaFoe.
By the way Mother Storm's feat may be 98 ExaFoe (107 Below 3-C), as a trillion light years seems to refer to the radius of the universe given that the character was on Earth which is the center of the universe.
Therefore Thor Worthy >>>>> Thor Unworthy = A large percentage of Mother Storm's power >>>> Feat of 24 ExaFoe.
By the way Mother Storm's feat may be 98 ExaFoe (107 Below 3-C), as a trillion light years seems to refer to the radius of the universe given that the character was on Earth which is the center of the universe.
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It takes 10 Zettafoe to be Galaxy Level, I'm not sure if there's enough upscaling to prove he has a whopping 438.75x multiplier
No given timeframe onscreen. And I'm so sorry for wanting to see actual calcs proving a solid reason for a tier change for like 50 characters before I give my approval.
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Do you understand the fact that these feats are casual?
What a time frame if you have characters literally saying they can destroy an ENTIRE GALAXY with a thought and this being backed up by mentions of a Vigilante and the Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom.
Then you have that according to Stan Lee the power of 1000 suns is enough to destroy an ENTIRE GALAXY and Thor and Silver Surfer having mentions of having this power.
And that you have feats like Thor, Ulik and Beta Ray Bill enduring the explosion of hammers that can contain energies capable of destroying a galaxy without problems.
Hungry Galactus casually moving a galaxy, 3-C feats by the way.
And then you have characters like Thor, Silver Surfer or Hulk surviving attacks from this one.
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I have also been told about this feat:
Thor opens a small breach in Exitar's armor (Which averages 2000 feet).
Even the armor (which is NOT their actual bodies) of the weaker celestials come out unscathed from galaxy shattering explosions.
Could someone confirm if the armor thing is true? Since this also scales to Sentry.
Thor opens a small breach in Exitar's armor (Which averages 2000 feet).
Even the armor (which is NOT their actual bodies) of the weaker celestials come out unscathed from galaxy shattering explosions.
Could someone confirm if the armor thing is true? Since this also scales to Sentry.
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I suppose you could, though I have no horse in this race anymore.
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That's ugly and too bulky though :v
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yeah plus some characters, like carol and blue marvel are gonna have "High 6-C, possibly 4-A, likely 3-C". Too many guess statistics.
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Okay. How about 4-A or "At least 4-A" for the lower herald tiers and 3-C for the higher ones?
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that's a massive Outlier, Arishem was literally tanking Thor's strongest attacks without paying attention to him, that he can now damage Exitar is just PIS
idk, the celestials were dead and corrupted by Knull so is there a chance their durability changed there
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plus celestials are a bit inconsistnet. They are not treated that powerful in modern marvel
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Also, Thor threw the Odinsword right through a Celestial during their original storyline, and only made a very small hole in Exitar by using his god blast in combination with shatterring Mjolnir from the impact, if I remember correctly, so it likely wasn't extreme enough to be considered as an outlier.
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Thor was using amps in this arc - an armour and whatnot. So doesn't scale to his base.
In addition, celestials outer shells are weaker than their inner shells.
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1. "Casual" doesn't mean that it makes up for a required multiplier of hundreds of times
2. Which character said they could destroy a galaxy "with a thought" again?
3. That hammer explosion stuff does seem legit
See, that moving a Galaxy thing is DEFINITELY a solid 3-C feat.
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I think "At least 4-A, likely 3-C" is just fine actually, even if some characters get three tiers or more in a key that's perfectly fine IMO
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Uni-Lord and the Sphinx. Also Vartu the Watcher mentions that in Uni-Lord's battle against Silver Surfer they destroyed galaxies.
Yes.
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I see. That is also solid stuff.
If the rest of the thread supports it, then I withdraw my previous argument and am now once again in favor of 3-C Heralds.
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I don't think the uni lord feat is usable. Its an alt reality version of them.
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What's the basis for split?
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Please elaborate.
They do not all seem to be nearly as powerful as the Silver Surfer.
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Its not even an alt reality, it's just a what if he shows to Surfer
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I mean then we'll not scale them altogether, and they'll have to use their own feats if the assertion is that :V
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Why? I explained above that the Watcher meant something else with "What if?".
It doesn't seem right to me to claim that it never happened when, literally, those events connect to the same canonical series.
Which also wouldn't matter even if it was a What If, because What Ifs are plausible events that could have happened, ergo it falls within the characters' possibilities.
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