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Was 3-C agreed upon…?
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Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C
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Tanking black holes is just resistance to duraneg.
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From what I've read, most users agree with 4-A/3-C leaning more towards the latter.
And 4-A's high-end casual feats and the other feats and statements obviously back it up.
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Bumping this.
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If the upper tier heralds are what performs the 3-C feats I would argue that fully scaling normal heralds to them is a smidge sus.
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What would be the lower Herald Tiers?
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Like nova and wolverine and stuff like that
We should put wolverine as dura neg
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it's less about the lower tier ones and more about the upper tier ones. I don't have the exact scaling in mind but someone like Thanos or Mephisto is way stronger than your Thor or Silver Surfer, right?
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Yes, that's correct.
Mephisto's powers vary heavily up to 2-A. So sometimes he is lower, sometimes higher
Mephisto's powers vary heavily up to 2-A. So sometimes he is lower, sometimes higher
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IDK about Mephisto specifically but from my experience (and a CRT that I made and was accepted) Hell Lords are up to 2-C outside of Hell under normal circumstances. Still, same story, even if Mephisto's different people like Hela or Pluto are way stronger than your average Herald.
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Wolverine isn't dura-neg, his claws don't have any magical properties and are just insane levels of piercing damage.
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i know. thought it would be funny oof
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Wolverine is a walking case of everybody can fight everybody plot-induced stupidity/idiocy.
Anyway, can somebody list all of the tier results for the accepted feats that we will scale from in order of power level please? Also, has anybody adjusted the universal shaking (and possibly other) feats to account for a trillion lightyears within blog post calculations yet?
Anyway, can somebody list all of the tier results for the accepted feats that we will scale from in order of power level please? Also, has anybody adjusted the universal shaking (and possibly other) feats to account for a trillion lightyears within blog post calculations yet?
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Nah, it's just that adamantium is a super strong metal in Marvel with only the strongest of the strong being outright able to shatter it, at least in Earth-616.
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Wolverine's durability is a bit wonky at times, but ap with the claws seems fine
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Wolverine's main body and metal skeleton have separate dura AFAIK.
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It doesn't matter that Adamantium is that strong in itself. Wolverine should still not remotely be able to wield it with enough force to pierce level 3-C beings.
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Ant, we have plenty of characters on this site that have weapons made out of super-strong metal that consistently damage other characters with tiers magnitudes above the weapon's wielder themselves. Wolverine is not the first one. We have hundreds, if not thousands of such characters rated as "X physically, Y with super-unique weapon made out of random super-strong metal". To deny Wolverine this would mean all those profiles would have to be downgraded as well.
By your logic, a character that is normally Tier 9 would be unable to pierce a Tier 3/2 character with a sword made of a super-strong metal that is consistently shown to be able to pierce or even grievously harm characters of that level. Which honestly makes no sense to me, this is an attribute of the metal just being that strong and sharp, this has nothing to do with the character having enough force to thrust it through said character. This isn't your typical "gun bullet" inconsistency.
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Anyway, how many high 3-A feats would we have? Also, High 3-A being supposedly an outlier doesn't mean the feat suddenly becomes 4-A/3-C
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I am not saying that we should deny Wolverine this. I am just saying that he would logically need more than trillions of times greater force in his blows to harm such characters, even if the metal itself is harder than they are.
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Let's try not to derail.
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Oh yeah Wolvie stays his tier, his claws at least are consistently depicted FAR above every single High 6-C and honestly even 4-Bs in many regards.
It may be illogical and you can argue scaling should be wonk, but for Wolverine himself it should be fine.
We WILL probably make scaling to Thor and Surfer far stricter though, as there did exist characters we let onto 4-B because they have some tier 4 feats of their own, so stuff like holdbacc and said character's own feats will be HEAVILY used as a detractor for them scaling to 3-C.
It may be illogical and you can argue scaling should be wonk, but for Wolverine himself it should be fine.
We WILL probably make scaling to Thor and Surfer far stricter though, as there did exist characters we let onto 4-B because they have some tier 4 feats of their own, so stuff like holdbacc and said character's own feats will be HEAVILY used as a detractor for them scaling to 3-C.
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Yeah, I was explicitly stating this for his claws and no one else. Maybe anyone else of his kin that has adamantium claws as well.
I mean, doesn't the whole "holdbacc" thing already prevent the peeps from scaling to the 4-A/3-C bullshittery outright?
Also we need to find better feats for the "holdbacc" part. High 6-C just looks plain bad.
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...I think you should reread what I said
...I mean if you think the Thing can blow up planets for the funzies you're grossly mistaken lol, even the High 6-C is off of really damn strong ones, Carol and Mandarin.
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Beyond what is decided for the Size of the Universe here I have posted the blog for the energies needed to shake the universe of a trillion light years.
But I have a doubt one must assume that a trillion light years must be the radius or diameter of the universe?
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But I have a doubt one must assume that a trillion light years must be the radius or diameter of the universe?
Marvel Comics - Shaking the Universe
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One thing I wanted to tell you is that in Thor's feat at his peak where he shakes the stars he could also be shaking all the stars in the universe quietly, since in narrative terms this feat is superior to Jane Foster's, plus it was shown that Thor's thunder can be felt even in Warp Space and in the sky no stars are visible so he was shaking stars that were at a great distance.
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The main thing that should be mentioned in the profiles I guess can be this:
It should be mentioned that they are casual or don't use their full power:
- Thor survives the destruction of the black galaxy.
- Thor casually breaks a celestial container that withstood the Black Galaxy's explosion from very close range.
- Thor creates a universal storm
- Thor (Jane Foster) shakes worlds half a universe away.
- Silver Surfer creates a black hole.
- Shaking the universe
Feats and mentions to back up 3-C:
- Thor absorbs the energy of the Null bomb, which was to destroy the black galaxy.
- Thor and Ulik survive an explosion that shatters Mjolnir/Storbreaker, which, as we've already seen, can contain energies like those of the Null Bomb or God Storm.
- Beta Ray Bill resists an explosion that shatters Stormbraker.
- Black Bolt defeated Sphinx, who claimed to be able to destroy a galaxy with thought.
- It is said that in Silver Surfer's battle against Uni-Lord they destroyed galaxies.
- It is mentioned that Uni-Lord is capable of devouring entire galaxies with a thought.
- When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's powers, he mentioned that this cosmic energy used in its entirety could destroy a galaxy (Silver Surfer was weakened before Dr. Doom stole his powers).
- Silver Surfer passed through the heart of exploding galaxies and other cosmic conflagrations unscathed.
- Suzanne Selby mentions that she will set the entire Shi'ar galaxy on fire.
- Galactus moves a galaxy.
- Galactus (Hungry) destroys multiple galaxies in his fight against Tyrant.
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You wanted to calculate the energy that the Celestial Container received in the explosion of the Black Galaxy?
Because I have already made a pixel scaling for this object and I know where it was at the time of the explosion.
You wanted to calculate the energy that the Celestial Container received in the explosion of the Black Galaxy?
Because I have already made a pixel scaling for this object and I know where it was at the time of the explosion.
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You could check the calculations, as an evaluation is necessary to be able to use them in the profiles.
Marvel Comics - Thor tanks the explosion that ripped through the Black Galaxy
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Marvel Comics - Thor creates universal storm
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Marvel Comics - Jane Foster shakes worlds half a universe away
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Energy needed to shake planets at the edge of the universe
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Marvel Comics - Shaking the Universe
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I would prefer we have At least 4-A, possibly 3-C until we get all our statistics in order.
If anything, we'll make adjustments once we do have all our numbers in order if all the admins here are in the current agreement.
If anything, we'll make adjustments once we do have all our numbers in order if all the admins here are in the current agreement.
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A couple of the feats seem to be a bit out of my league, but I think I can tag some calc bois who can help.You could check the calculations, as an evaluation is necessary to be able to use them in the profiles.
Marvel Comics - Thor tanks the explosion that ripped through the Black Galaxy
Marvel Comics - Thor creates universal storm
Marvel Comics - Jane Foster shakes worlds half a universe away
Energy needed to shake planets at the edge of the universe
The formula I have used in most of the calculations is this one here:Marvel Comics - Shaking the Universe
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As others have pointed out in the thread, this will result in a lot of the profiles looking like a mess, so we shouldn't use that as a rating.
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Why would it be a possibly if you have a Watcher saying SS and Uni-Lord destroyed galaxies, other characters with mentions that they can devour/destroy an entire galaxy with a thought, Doom saying that with SS's weakened power he can destroy a galaxy and SS himself claiming he survived galaxy explosions and other more powerful cosmic conflagrations. Then you have Thor resisting the Mjolnir explosion and casually smashing a container that withstood at least 10 ExaFoe without a scratch, Thor withstood a casual cut from a spear that was capable of cutting Mjolnir with no problems (although the blow that cut Mjolnir was much stronger)..
The best option would be to leave them at 3-C and then, when we find that the 5-B level is the most consistent, we will change it lmao
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DontTalkDT is usually focused at more advanced tasks than evaluating calculations, but maybe @M3X or @Jasonsith would be willing to help us out?
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I'm simply saying that we should have a solid foundation for the upgrade, understanding all the contexts of the previous statements and feats.
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