- 12,669
- 9,618
Right now, we have two 4-B calcs listed on Thor's page and one for Surfer, which is on the verse page. And it's causing issues for all 4-Bs of Marvel. I will drop the link to all 3 below.
Thor shakes worlds with 2 hammers
Surtur's portal
Surfer's 4-B calc
First problem, we aren't listing Surfer's calc on his page, despite it being accepted. So, I think we should change that.
Now onto the main problem. Thor's AP justification states this:
So, my proposal is to;
Thor shakes worlds with 2 hammers
Surtur's portal
Surfer's 4-B calc
First problem, we aren't listing Surfer's calc on his page, despite it being accepted. So, I think we should change that.
Now onto the main problem. Thor's AP justification states this:
However, in addition to that, we have this;
Mind you, the entire first arc of Mighty Thor 2011 by Fraction explicitly suggests that Thor > Surfer, albeit but not a huge degree. Which is rather consistent with these two characters. Surfer has been shown as almost equal to Thor various times, so this whole justification causes some issues. Now, if Thor with two hammers can only produce around... idk, two hundred foes, but is more powerful than serious Surfer, then there are some issues. Also, I think the Thor calc might be missing some context. It's been a few years since I last read Aaron's Thor stuff, but IIRC, Thor was weakened in that arc. I believe all Gods weren't at their peak or something because of what Gorr had done to that place.
So, my proposal is to;
- We need to identify which calc to use between these three as the main one for Thor. Because most people assume that thor would only cap at 13 foe or something.
- The justification needs to be changed slightly to consider the greater context. While Thor definitely is stronger with two hammers, it doesn't mean he caps at that. I am sure we have much higher showings for him, which makes this justification look questionable.
