Maou Gakuin No Futekigousha (The Misfit of Demon King Academy) 2-A for Future World Crystal and Mortal World

[Godsatoshi23]

Where can I ask

 

[Hajun]

Where can I ask

In mgk discussion thread

 

[Accelerator]

If 2-A is approved does Zinnia also get 2-A and Mutoh and other demon kings in general?

 

[Yuth]

If 2-A is approved does Zinnia also get 2-A and Mutoh and other demon kings in general?

Obviously

 

[Accelerator]

Obviously

That's awesome.

 

[Caduz213]

If 2-A is approved does Zinnia also get 2-A and Mutoh and other demon kings in general?

Not just them, but any character in the Silver Sea arc. Even random inhabitants of deep layers. If worlds are later accepted as low 1-C, any deep-layer inhabitant or character capable of destroying the world will earn a low 1-C rating.

 

[Dereck03]

How much longer we have to wait.

 

[Caduz213]

Pain must be preparing an irrefutable argument

 

[PrinceofPein]

Pain must be preparing an irrefutable argument

Yes, it's just me bringing all the scans of where nafta was talked about and also the crystals and trying to clear this thing up as the major thing here is that the OP claim is that those futures physically exist

 

[Caduz213]

Yes, it's just me bringing all the scans of where nafta was talked about and also the crystals and trying to clear this thing up as the major thing here is that the OP claim is that those futures physically exist

Can we put a week of discussion already? I hope I don't get dizzy from going around in circles so much

 

[Hajun]

A week

 

[PrinceofPein]

First let me clear up all the things that was taken out of context.
Before I had zero knowledge on the arc so I was led on but since I did some reading on it I have the general idea.
So here are statements that were taken out of context to mean things they don't

it's stated to destroy Fututre world you need to destroy all futures. as they just told you.

Nope this was in response to anos destroying nafta's spear and she said before he can destroy crystal he needs to destroy all possibility of the future.

Nafta swears an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it perishes. ＜The only way to destroy the crystal of the future is to destroy all possibilities

And this was in response to anos blood corroding the spear

It literally says that future and possibilities are the shape of the world(she basically equalized them). It's stated that the reason Anos blood could corrode it is because his blood corrodes the world. World constructed means to build or make. So I think there is plenty of evidence that they do exist physically

There is literally nothing in that world inside the crystal

The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.

It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world.

　As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.

　It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.

　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.

　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.

Hm. A world made of candiquisorte.

It is one of nafta ability that allows her to create a domain. A world made entirely of Crystals, creating the worst possible futures for whoever she traps inside. Later on she gains the ability to project the limited world in the real one for a short amount of time.
The world is essentially similar to a virtual one.

Infinite futures already exists inside future world

Uhhhm that's not how her ability works tho

When these eyes open, Nafta will be able to see all the future. All the future that is to happen, all the miracles, are in the hands of Nafta, the god of the future. From the crevices of your hands, the future of victory will spill out, and even the possibility of resisting will vanish."

Some catch a cold and die. Some fall down and die. Everyone rolls God's dice and lives in this world as a result. If you challenge Nafta, your worst day will come upon you.

So practically she has precognition, now where the entire "infinite" shtick comes from is that she is able to use the crystal to form a future she wants, like for example when she formed the crystal and said anos will be unable to dodge the spear

He grabbed the crystal spear with his right hand and caught it.

Nafta predicted the future. "You didn't catch the spear."

　As soon as the god of the future uttered these words, the crystal spear, which I thought I had grabbed, slipped through my hand.

　I quickly jumped back, but the speed of Kandakui Zolte was slightly faster, and the tip of the spear gouged my stomach.

Prediction, huh? I see. It is true that once in a billion times, we may fail to catch it. ＜So the power of the Crystal of the Future Life limits us to that future.>

Even if there are infinite possibility and you survived in everyone of them except one, the crystal has the power to limit you to that future where you did not survive.

There literally states countless crystals already exists inside future world. Later it was stated as infinite futures. You are at this point ignoring the statements.

A crystal shard is a seperate future itself as Anos destroyed one future there were still countless crystals existed.

I am really done with this if you want to keep ignoring then i can't say anything

This is a blatant lie and I'm really vexed you would really say something totally untrue, this was the reason I almost believed this, but reading it myself that's a lie.
So basically this is from the scan after anos destroyed the spear and you said each of the countless crystals the spear was turned into was a reality on its own, but I will send the full thing here for proper context.

Kandakui Zolte turned into a black rust, crumbling and falling apart, and then dissipating around the area.

　The demon king's blood is useless unless it is used in an attack of this magnitude.

　If it is not powerful enough to catch his protection, it may cause fatal damage to the world.

You are a god who controls the future, and you are very strong. But it's time to get serious. You must foresee the future seriously, or you may well end up here.

　Without stopping, he headed toward Nafta.

　At that moment, Kandakuisorte, which had turned to rust and dissipated, emerged as countless shards of sparkling crystal.

Nafta swears an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it perishes. ＜The only way to destroy the crystal of the future is to destroy all possibilities.

　The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.

Here those shards that you called worlds/another reality are not they are just what broke off after anos destroyed the spear, but let's continue.

It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world.

She used those shards to create a domain in which anyone who is in, will be limited to the worst possible future

　As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.

　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.

　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.

Hm. A world made of candiquisorte.

Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world.

Interesting. You have to have at least one world to reach me.

　I looked at him calmly and said.

Come on, future. Challenge me.

　At the same time as I said these words, the ground shattered into pieces.

　＜Floating in the air, countless crystal spears flew out of the huge hole.

　　＜Floating in the air with a flying freshet, countless crystal spears flew out of its tremendously huge hole.

　＜I tried to block the hole with my "Four Walls of Beno Even," but the crystal spears easily slipped through it and pierced me.
The next moment, crystal spears appeared from the surrounding buildings.

　Crystal spears also appeared from the canopy above my head, and they shot out from above, below, right, and left all at once.

　One after another, the spears shredded my body. The clock tower in front of me floated in the air as if it had been detached from the building, and its sharply pointed roof plunged down on me.

　Countless crystal spears bound my body, and the clock tower's spear thrust into me with such force that it almost crushed me.

　A large amount of blood dripped from my entire body.

'I haven't bled this much in a long time.

　The crystal crystals around the clock tower and the crystal spear were rusted and crumbled by the Black Demon King's blood.

　All that remained was black rust.

You said it was all going to end badly for me. The worst day of my life is about to hit me.

　Holding up his hand, he drew multiple magic circles.

　I held up my hand and drew multiple magic circles.
You are very powerful, Nafta said. But if you are so powerful, then I have magic I can use too.

　Black particles flowed out of the turret of the magic circle.

Miracles will befall you. I sentence you to despair."

　Once again, countless crystal spears strike me, but as soon as they touch the black particles that surround me, they shatter into pieces.

　Fire, water, lightning, earth, trees, canopies, and everything else attacked me.

　It was like a miracle.

　However, I could not resist everything in the world that was baring its fangs at me.

I borrowed magic power from the tyrannical demon king Anos Voldigord, the creator god Militia, and the destroyer god Averniou, 2,000 years ago through origin magic.

On top of that, I add my own current magical power to it.

It's a forbidden spell that can't be used in any normal place. I myself have only used it twice.

　Jet-black particles swirl like living creatures and entangle the turret of the magic circle.
In the aftermath, the surrounding crystals shatter and break into pieces.

　The world of crystals began to crack and collapse.

The crystal world began to crack and disintegrate. If you unleash this magic, at the very worst, the world of Kandakuisorte will be destroyed.

That said crystal is a single world inside not like what the OP says and the nemesis is anos blood

　I said to the god of the future, who turned his face toward me, speechless and dumbfounded.

If you can't limit it, the whole real world will be destroyed.

　Black particles spiraled seven times around the turret.

　A bottomless crack appears in the crystal ground.

　The end of the crack is also invisible, and it literally splits the localized world in two.

"The ashy ashlar cannon Egil Gurone Angudoroa".

　From the turret of the magic circle, the fire of the apocalypse is released.

　The seven spirals of dark fire roared and surged straight ahead.

　Perhaps with the blessing of Kandakuisorte, the doomsday fire penetrated Nafta's body as if it were slipping through.

　It reached beyond the horizon, and then the whole world went up in flames.
The canopy burned, the horizon burned, the ground and mountains, everything burned and turned to black ash.

　＜The reason why this magic, which surpasses the Hellfire Annihilation Cannon Geo Glaze, is not ranked as the highest level of flame magic is because there is no one else who can use it besides me.

　It burns what should not burn, destroys what should not perish, and burns the heavens and earth to ashes.

　It is unmistakably the magic of destruction. It is the magic system in which I excel the most.

　Before the fire of the apocalypse, the entire predicted world was reduced to jet-black ashes.

　The ashes were blown away by the wind, and Nafta and I were back in front of the Great Sacred Gate again, as if to reveal the reality hidden behind it.

The ashes were blown away by the wind, and Nafta and I were back in front of the Great Gate. It looks like he's getting serious.

　＜Nafta, holding the Crystal of the Future in both hands, opened both of his eyes.

　As the god who rules the order of the future, I cannot close off the possibilities of the world.

　＜He must have gazed into the future in order to predict the "Egil Grene Angudoroa," the ash-colored cannon that will destroy the world of the extreme prisoners.

In other words, the game is decided.

Everything is a prediction, literally everything. But aside that, you said and I quote
"A crystal shard is separate future itself", please send a scan of that, cause that's the scene up there and you could not have been anymore misleading

 

[PrinceofPein]

I will probably reply to the rest later but let me quickly address this

She can't change the future. If what she's doing is only materializing possibilities then nafta would've gone against her order but this is impossible. Hence all futures do exist.

She looks at the possible futures then she can limit it to one result, the key word possible futures

Chapter 310

"「未来神の秩序は、未来を司る秩序。ナフタの存在そのものが、未来の秩序を保っている。ゆえに、ナフタの神眼めにも盲点があります。ナフタが見ることのできない現在は、それより以前の時間にいるナフタにも、未来として映りません」"

"The order of the god of the future is the order that governs the future Nafta's very existence preserves the order of the future. Hence, there is a blind spot in Naphta's divine eye. The present, which Naphta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Naphta who is in an earlier time."



Hello, I'm new here. Anyways regarding the disagreement I'm hoping this could at least help. As what the statement above says, Nafta of present world, a world which is already materialized, is also considered as future by her past self. Every future reflected in Nafta eyes all essentially came from the sight of her future selves, hence, if Nafta of the present couldn't see, dies or doesn't exist, this particular future for the earlier Nafta's point of view would be considered a blind spot and would not be seen in her eyes at all. Similarly if the Nafta existing at some point of future couldn't see, dies, or doesn't exist, it wouldnt be reflected in the present Nafta's eyes, this is how her divine eyes works. So It wouldn't make sense to say that future worlds are still yet to be materialized because as said previously all of the future are already constructed by order, it's simply impossible for Nafta to overturn them, all she could do is "choose" from this futures.

I'm not sure what you think this would proof, but this does not proof infinite timelines, it just means that if something happened that nafta did not see or predict, that event is not seen as the future or cannot be seen even by nafta from the past.

 

[Caduz213]

First let me clear up all the things that was taken out of context.
Before I had zero knowledge on the arc so I was led on but since I did some reading on it I have the general idea.
So here are statements that were taken out of context to mean things they don't

Nope this was in response to anos destroying nafta's spear and she said before he can destroy crystal he needs to destroy all possibility of the future.

And this was in response to anos blood corroding the spear

There is literally nothing in that world inside the crystal

It is one of nafta ability that allows her to create a domain. A world made entirely of Crystals, creating the worst possible futures for whoever she traps inside. Later on she gains the ability to project the limited world in the real one for a short amount of time.
The world is essentially similar to a virtual one.


Uhhhm that's not how her ability works tho


So practically she has precognition, now where the entire "infinite" shtick comes from is that she is able to use the crystal to form a future she wants, like for example when she formed the crystal and said anos will be unable to dodge the spear

Even if there are infinite possibility and you survived in everyone of them except one, the crystal has the power to limit you to that future where you did not survive.


This is a blatant lie and I'm really vexed you would really say something totally untrue, this was the reason I almost believed this, but reading it myself that's a lie.
So basically this is from the scan after anos destroyed the spear and you said each of the countless crystals the spear was turned into was a reality on its own, but I will send the full thing here for proper context.

Here those shards that you called worlds/another reality are not they are just what broke off after anos destroyed the spear, but let's continue.

She used those shards to create a domain in which anyone who is in, will be limited to the worst possible future

That said crystal is a single world inside not like what the OP says and the nemesis is anos blood


Everything is a prediction, literally everything. But aside that, you said and I quote
"A crystal shard is separate future itself", please send a scan of that, cause that's the scene up there and you could not have been anymore misleading

Dude, you're determined as ****! Worse than I agree with your argument.My knowledge of the bow is almost nil.I believe that really things may have been taken out of interpretation.Anyway, I'm not sure either. I'll wait for others to argue and hope you're wrong. As much as I so far agree more with your argument

 

[Tatsumi504]

Nope this was in response to anos destroying nafta's spear and she said before he can destroy crystal he needs to destroy all possibility of the future.

I'll start from here. Nafta's spear is literally Kandaquizorte fashioned into a spear. This is your first misappropriation. To destroy Kandaquizorte you need to destroy all possibilities. Possibilities= future.

And this was in response to Anos blood corroding the spear

Was still Kandaquizorte

'You'd better pull out your spear quickly. Before the demon king's blood, spewing from its roots, rots the candaquizorte."

'The Kandakuisorte, the crystal of the future world, will be equal to the many futures of this world, it will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."

'Indeed, it is reasonable.'

It is one of nafta ability that allows her to create a domain. A world made entirely of Crystals, creating the worst possible futures for whoever she traps inside. Later on she gains the ability to project the limited world in the real one for a short amount of time.
The world is essentially similar to a virtual one.

Not allows her to create a domain. The domain itself is the future world which is Kandaquizorte which holds all futures of the world. She doesn't later again the ability to project it, she can overlap it with the mortal world and she uses it to grant allies the ability to see the future, amp their stats by limiting them to a future where they are stronger and weaken enemies by limiting them to a future where they are weaker. It Is not in any way virtual as all sanctuaries exist.

So practically she has precognition, now where the entire "infinite" shtick comes from is that she is able to use the crystal to form a future she wants, like for example when she formed the crystal and said

No, the chapter here only uses countless to describe the crystals. The infinite futures come from a different chapter.

Even if there are infinite possibility and you survived in everyone of them except one, the crystal has the power to limit you to that future where you did not survive.

First off, I asked that you at least use a better translator like deepl.
In your quote above this all places were they used "predicted" is actually "limited". Hell, you've contradicted yourself here by calling it a future.

Here those shards that you called worlds/another reality are not they are just what broke off after anos destroyed the spear, but let's continue.

Another contradiction. Anos blood absolutely corrodes everything it comes into contact with. No shards broke off after it was destroyed, the spear was recreated as futures where it wasn't destroyed exists.

She used those shards to create a domain in which anyone who is in, will be limited to the worst possible future

Those shards are once again literally Kandaquizorte, the future world which holds all futures and uses it to manifest her sanctuary- the future world where in it she can limit events to any future of her choosing. Nafta stabbing Anos here is probability manipulation, after this is literally her limiting events to any future of her choosing.

That said crystal is a single world inside not like what

Crystal is a single world that holds all possibilities, possibilities in this case= future.

Everything is a prediction, literally everything.

No everything is not a prediction. Everything described there actually happened just that before the world was destroyed she limited everything to a future in which she had not began fighting Anos and they were still at the gate. This is clearly beyond probability manipulation.
You would know this if you continued reading the arc and not just hopping through chapters as we are later introduced to the god of traces who governs the trace world. Traces are the immortalized records of everything that has ever happened/existed in the world and Anos couldn't destroy the land of traces with EGA (egil grone angdroa) because it cannot be destroyed by what it contains and it freaking contained the traces of Anos destroying the future world with the same EGA.
Proof of it being the same one? Because the summoner of the trace god, the pope of giordal, pope gorloanna knew about anos world destroying magic and talked about it. He also happens to be the same pope who made the comment about miracles happening in the beginning of the fight, meaning he witnessed the fight and despite nafta limiting the future, he still remembers it meaning it actually happened.

 

[Caduz213]

I'll start from here. Nafta's spear is literally Kandaquizorte fashioned into a spear. This is your first misappropriation. To destroy Kandaquizorte you need to destroy all possibilities. Possibilities= future.

Was still Kandaquizorte


Not allows her to create a domain. The domain itself is the future world which is Kandaquizorte which holds all futures of the world. She doesn't later again the ability to project it, she can overlap it with the mortal world and she uses it to grant allies the ability to see the future, amp their stats by limiting them to a future where they are stronger and weak enemies by limiting them to a future where they are weaker. It I not in any way virtual as all sanctuaries exist.

No, the chapter here only uses countless to describe the future. The infinite futures come from a different chapter.

First off, I asked that you at least use a better translator like deepl.
In your quote above this all places were they used "predicted" is actually "limited". Hell, you've contradicted yourself here by calling it a future.

Another construction. Anos blood absolutely corrodes everything it come into contact with. No shards broke off after it was destroyed, the spear was recreated as futures where it wasn't destroyed exists.

Those shards are once again literally Kandaquizorte, the future world which holds all futures and uses it to manifest her sanctuary- the future world where in it she can limit events to any future of her choosing. Nafta stabbing Anos here is probability manipulation, after this is literally her limiting events to any future of her choosing.

Crystal is a single world that holds all possibilities, possibilities in this case= future.

No everything is not a prediction. Everything described there actually happened just that before the world was destroyed she limited everything to a future in which she had not began fighting Anos and they were still at the gate. This is clearly beyond probability manipulation.
You would know this if you continued reading the arc and not just hopping through chapters as we are later introduced to the god of traces who governs the trace world. Traces are the immortalized records of everything that has ever happened in the world and Anos couldn't destroy the land of traces with EGA (egil grone angdroa) because it cannot be destroyed by what it contains and it freaking contained the traces of Anos destroying the future world with the same EGA.
Proof of it being the same one? Because the summoner of the trace god, the pope of giordal, pope gorloanna knew about anos world destroying magic and talked about it. He also happens to be the same pope who made the comment about miracles happening in the beginning of the fight, meaning he witnessed the fight and despite nafta limiting the future, he still remembers it meaning it actually happened.

Thank you for not letting the boat sink. Now I'm neutral about the update

 

[Tatsumi504]

She looks at the possible futures then she can limit it

She doesn't look at possible future, she looks at all the futures and limits the present to one of her choosing.
This scan shows gods cannot change or go against order, while this shows order is fate, this shows order came first before reality and this shows the flow of time cannot be changed.

This all means that nafta cannot change the future but can limit the present to any future of her choosing.

The future is already preordained and nafta is the god of the future not possibilities. What you're suggesting means nafta is going against order which is impossible.

Furthermore the flow of time cannot be changed. If it is changed it will be reset to what it should originally be. If nafta changes the future, that change should be reset back to normal but this never happens which further proves that all futures nafta limits the world to exist and are preordained.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Thank you for not letting the boat sink. Now I'm neutral about the update

No problem. I'm not letting anyone sink this ship. I'm fully ready to debunk anyone that tries.
My hardwork on creating her profile cannot go to waste

 

[Dereck03]

I'm fully ready to debunk anyone that tries.

Even me?

She doesn't look at possible future, she looks at all the futures and limits the present to one of her choosing.
This scan shows gods cannot change or go against order, while this shows order is fate, this shows order came first before reality and this shows the flow of time cannot be changed.

This all means that nafta cannot change the future but can limit the present to any future of her choosing.

The future is already preordained and nafta is the god of the future not possibilities. What you're suggesting means nafta is going against order which is impossible.

Furthermore the flow of time cannot be changed. If it is changed it will be reset to what it should originally be. If nafta changes the future, that change should be reset back to normal but this never happens which further proves that all futures nafta limits the world to exist and are preordained.

I like this argument tho.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Even me?

I like this argument tho.

Forgive my ignorance
I forgot about the existence of one such as yourself. Seriously though, you may beat me if you tried.

Thanks

 

[Glis]

I'm not sure what you think this would proof, but this does not proof infinite timelines, it just means that if something happened that nafta did not see or predict, that event is not seen as the future or cannot be seen even by nafta from the past.

I never said anything about infinite timelines. My point was that all future are materialized, not predictions and such, and it's evident by the fact that the present Nafta is also one of the "futures" that an earlier Nafta sees.

Aside from that I believe tatsumi have already said what needs to be said.

 

[Sharkass]

still waiting for the update

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

still waiting for the update

I hope this thread don't die like Magi thread .

I am really serious about this though. @Pain_to12 you should concentrate on one thread you are participating. If you disagree you can always make a downgrade thread anytime. Magi thread already dead because they were waiting for your reply. I don't want to see same happening to this thread. Atleast complete one thread at a time.

 

[Dereck03]

Well, he may be busy, not everyone has free time like me to spend here. He took the time to read a novel in which he's not interested at all in JP just to have context... So you can justify that aspect..... Although it's taking so much time.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

It's quite commendable, really, going as far as to read a novel they don't really like so they can refute an upgrade.

Quite a determination and dedication.

 

[Sharkass]

looks like mgk is really cursed. so many treads yet we never end up to any conclusion

 

[Dereck03]

It's quite commendable, really, going as far as to read a novel they don't really like so they can refute an upgrade.

Quite a determination and dedication.

I could do that as well, but I'm to lazy and not interested in any other verse than Maou and one VN.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well, he may be busy, not everyone has free time like me to spend here. He took the time to read a novel in which he's not interested at all in JP just to have context... So you can justify that aspect..... Although it's taking so much time.

It's quite commendable, really, going as far as to read a novel they don't really like so they can refute an upgrade.

Quite a determination and dedication.

I mean i agree with his determination but my point is he should concentrate on one thread he is participating. He going to one thread disagreeing and leaving that thread for months and going to another thread doing the same would make everyone time waste.

He could do the downgrade CRT anytime when he is free with all the knowledge and information he gets after completely reading the series.

Take a look at this. This thread is already dead. He was supposed to make an reply there I am concerned about our thread based on this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/magi-massive-revision.135054/post-4909389

 

[Sharkass]

I mean i agree with his determination but my point is he should concentrate on one thread he is participating. He going to one thread disagreeing and leaving that thread for months and going to another thread doing the same would make everyone time waste.

He could do the downgrade CRT anytime when he is free with all the knowledge and information he gets after completely reading the series.

Take a look at this. This thread is already dead. He was supposed to make an reply there I am concerned about our thread based on this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/magi-massive-revision.135054/post-4909389

if he does not reply can't we just make the upgarde now? He can always make downgrade threads later on if he thinks we are wrong. Its better than making useful threads like these rot with time.

 

[Dereck03]

I would suggest waiting only this day.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

I could do that as well, but I'm to lazy and not interested in any other verse than Maou and one VN.

Oh?What VN are you reading right now?
Also, before I forget, you can count me in agree with the CRT.

 

[Hajun]

"Don’t underestimate Derecks infinite potential to debunk maou."

I'll debunk it to tier 11 wanna try and I will debunk it with ease to tier 11

 

[Dereck03]

Oh?What VN are you reading right now?

I have more than 20 VN in my Laptop rn but 1 of them is on the wiki and that's why I support it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

if he does not reply can't we just make the upgarde now? He can always make downgrade threads later on if he thinks we are wrong. Its better than making useful threads like these rot with time.

I completely agree with you. But let's wait for a day and if he doesn't have any new debunks. I will ask Fixxed to contact ant and unlock the pages and dereck can apply changes. Pain can do the debunk CRT when he is free.

I would suggest waiting only this day.

Well then let's wait for a day.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I mean i agree with his determination but my point is he should concentrate on one thread he is participating. He going to one thread disagreeing and leaving that thread for months and going to another thread doing the same would make everyone time waste.

He could do the downgrade CRT anytime when he is free with all the knowledge and information he gets after completely reading the series.

Take a look at this. This thread is already dead. He was supposed to make an reply there I am concerned about our thread based on this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/magi-massive-revision.135054/post-4909389

I agree with you.
I absolutely hate if this thread dies because of the long looping discussion, and long waiting replies.

I could do that as well, but I'm to lazy and not interested in any other verse than Maou and one VN.

Fair enough, mate. Focus on what you like.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I'll start from here. Nafta's spear is literally Kandaquizorte fashioned into a spear. This is your first misappropriation. To destroy Kandaquizorte you need to destroy all possibilities. Possibilities= future.

Was still Kandaquizorte


Not allows her to create a domain. The domain itself is the future world which is Kandaquizorte which holds all futures of the world. She doesn't later again the ability to project it, she can overlap it with the mortal world and she uses it to grant allies the ability to see the future, amp their stats by limiting them to a future where they are stronger and weaken enemies by limiting them to a future where they are weaker. It Is not in any way virtual as all sanctuaries exist.

No, the chapter here only uses countless to describe the crystals. The infinite futures come from a different chapter.

First off, I asked that you at least use a better translator like deepl.
In your quote above this all places were they used "predicted" is actually "limited". Hell, you've contradicted yourself here by calling it a future.

Another contradiction. Anos blood absolutely corrodes everything it comes into contact with. No shards broke off after it was destroyed, the spear was recreated as futures where it wasn't destroyed exists.

Those shards are once again literally Kandaquizorte, the future world which holds all futures and uses it to manifest her sanctuary- the future world where in it she can limit events to any future of her choosing. Nafta stabbing Anos here is probability manipulation, after this is literally her limiting events to any future of her choosing.

Crystal is a single world that holds all possibilities, possibilities in this case= future.

No everything is not a prediction. Everything described there actually happened just that before the world was destroyed she limited everything to a future in which she had not began fighting Anos and they were still at the gate. This is clearly beyond probability manipulation.
You would know this if you continued reading the arc and not just hopping through chapters as we are later introduced to the god of traces who governs the trace world. Traces are the immortalized records of everything that has ever happened/existed in the world and Anos couldn't destroy the land of traces with EGA (egil grone angdroa) because it cannot be destroyed by what it contains and it freaking contained the traces of Anos destroying the future world with the same EGA.
Proof of it being the same one? Because the summoner of the trace god, the pope of giordal, pope gorloanna knew about anos world destroying magic and talked about it. He also happens to be the same pope who made the comment about miracles happening in the beginning of the fight, meaning he witnessed the fight and despite nafta limiting the future, he still remembers it meaning it actually happened.

I think we went off the wrong thing here, let me just ask this simple questions, since I cannot actually find the scans before I address this post
1. Where was it stated that each shards are another reality on its own
2. I am not saying you cannot use the crystal to create a world, since NAFTA did just that, she can use the crystal to create a single world where whoever she traps inside will be limited to only misfortune. where was it that there are infinite timelines inside the crystal when how the crystal works goes against that?
3. Still the proof those possibilities exists already in the future which will mean all characters in the series have infinite version of themselves, possibly uncountable infinite version, which is sadly not the case.

She doesn't look at possible future, she looks at all the futures and limits the present to one of her choosing.
This scan shows gods cannot change or go against order, while this shows order is fate, this shows order came first before reality and this shows the flow of time cannot be changed.

This all means that nafta cannot change the future but can limit the present to any future of her choosing.

The future is already preordained and nafta is the god of the future not possibilities. What you're suggesting means nafta is going against order which is impossible.

Furthermore the flow of time cannot be changed. If it is changed it will be reset to what it should originally be. If nafta changes the future, that change should be reset back to normal but this never happens which further proves that all futures nafta limits the world to exist and are preordained.

and this was also my claim, the future has been preordained does not mean the future is already existing physically, let me give an example, it has already been pre-ordained that all living things will die, but does that mean that there is another different timeline that is in the future in which I have a version of myself that is already dead?

You are missing up my claim, yes the future possibilities she can see are already pre-ordained, then she has the power to limit whoever she wants to a single possibility.

The entire thing I am disputing here is that, the OP claim would mean MGK has an infinite timeline which is forever branching out, there will Be infinite version of Sasha, Anos, the pope.
In a timeline Sasha is dead cause Anos failed to save her in another she is blind. E.t.c.
And so far there is not a proof of infinite timeline, just a single person who can see all possible futures and choose one from it.
There is nothing more, yhwqch physically go into the future to break ichigo’s bankai, does that mean there is a 2-A structure in bleach?

 

[ImmortalDread]

The entire thing I am disputing here is that, the OP claim would mean MGK has an infinite timeline which is forever branching out, there will Be infinite version of Sasha, Anos, the pope.
In a timeline Sasha is dead cause Anos failed to save her in another she is blind. E.t.c.
And so far there is not a proof of infinite timeline, just a single person who can see all possible futures and choose one from it.
There is nothing more, yhwqch physically go into the future to break ichigo’s bankai, does that mean there is a 2-A structure in bleach?

I think you ain't aware, but his power is 2A range (I am talking about Bleach)

 

[PrinceofPein]

I mean i agree with his determination but my point is he should concentrate on one thread he is participating. He going to one thread disagreeing and leaving that thread for months and going to another thread doing the same would make everyone time waste.

He could do the downgrade CRT anytime when he is free with all the knowledge and information he gets after completely reading the series.

Take a look at this. This thread is already dead. He was supposed to make an reply there I am concerned about our thread based on this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/magi-massive-revision.135054/post-4909389

I have been trying to be quiet, but you should really learn to read, the thread is concluded already. It was rejected and another proposal was accepted. And yeah someone needs to apply the changes which should be me I guess but I did not receive a notification for it anymore and I did not check it out

I think you ain't aware, but his power is 2A range (I am talking about Bleach)

2-A range since he can see infinite possible timelines.

 

[ImmortalDread]

2-A range since he can see infinite possible timelines.

I have no clue, but no, since he actually can affect them all at once. That was the argument.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I have no clue, but no, since he actually can affect them all at once. That was the argument.

If he can affect them, he would have 2-A AP, what are you saying?