Starfeldway
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mahika am neutral since I don't even know a thing about the novels although @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara makes sense and if anos regeneration is as he/she explains it to be then sure
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Maou Gakuin Downgrades are Back Again (For the Second Time)
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EldemadeDityjon
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Fuji saying Self Resurrection is not Regeneration but explanation page states otherwise. Using resurrection on themselves is literally self Resurrection.
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Report me then.
It does not say that every character who uses self-resurrection also has regeneration, just that the two often go hand in hand. While I would like more elaboration on the standards for when self-resurrection also grants regeneration as a power, we don't have that right now, so for now we shouldn't just assume that Anos qualifies. But of course, the fact that no character with self-resurrection has regen as a result of that makes me a little suspicious.
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- If smth is stated to be y then it's y. -me
- If it's done via spell then don't. -other (assertion). -other
- Stated in standard? -me
- No, it's non passive. (assertion) -other
- So stated in standard that non passive don't qualify? (Question) -me
- No. -other
- ??? -me
- Anyway give me example of any verse that has non passive regen. -other
- I only know 7 verses and non of them has spell based regen/healing to disqualify or qualify, how am I supposed to give? It's asking for smth negative. Besides which standard stop regen from being regen? -me
- No standard says nothing. But I don't know any verse that has regen via spell or non passive regen. And if I don't know any verse who has non passive regen means it doesn't qualify. (assertion). -other
- Proof. -me
- Because I said so. -other
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I dunno whataboutism is cringe.I don't know who was the genius who came up with the idea of bringing Rimuru to a Maou thread.... They seems to like war.
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Is actually a good argument, because it forces people to look at standards.
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Stfu strym, don't fuel the heat
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Where did I said every character. We are talking about specific verse and clear cut statements.
In MGK scans states as Regeneration. If you can't Regenerate the body how would a character Resurrects. If you want to question the standard make a staff thread and remove the line where self Resurrection is stated be both immortality and regeneration instead of showing your constant bias.
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Okay, let me rephrase that. The page does not say that a character who uses self-resurrection will inherently have regeneration alongside it. If it did work like that, then characters with self-resurrection would have regen listed alongside it, but they don't.
Also, it being stated as being regeneration shouldn't be a factor. The ability itself is more along the lines of resurrection, so we'll treat it as such. Though, if you're really not gonna listen to reason, would listing it as "Mid-Godly via <Ingall>" be a better replacement? As long as the obvious restrictions on their regen/resurrection are explained.
waiting on that report btw
Also, it being stated as being regeneration shouldn't be a factor. The ability itself is more along the lines of resurrection, so we'll treat it as such. Though, if you're really not gonna listen to reason, would listing it as "Mid-Godly via <Ingall>" be a better replacement? As long as the obvious restrictions on their regen/resurrection are explained.
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Info stuffs i share the same oppinion as you, in the resistance negation i still digress. I will make a quick stay.
Many of venuzdonoa's feats come from destroying logic/reason in the verse which is not something that the manipulation of order can do. The application of law manipulation in the verse does not compare to venuzdonoa's manipulation of reason and it would be contradictory to categorize reason/logic under "Law Manipulation" so if we base it directly on the feat is "Venuzdonoa negating Jerga's immunity so that Evansmana who could not affect him because he was immune to it then could affect him" this is Resistance negation whichever way you look at it.
Let's quote the page
Concept stuffs should be fine to leave it for other thread.
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To contest this somewhat, Venuzdonoa's abilities being far above order/laws wouldn't really discredit it being law manipulation. It'd just be a higher degree of law manipulation than order.
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Vietthai literally warned how its all semantic at this point about removing or adding mid godly and yet people still try to contest it.
The reason these crt don't progress is exactly because of this semantics.
We index profile to deliver an idea to casual viewers about abilities and nature. These semantics are merely something only hyper nerds would care about and tbh it is just a tiring charade of trying to explain what William Shakespeare meant when the Chair is red.
As for law/logic manipulation. Since law is on itself is broad explaining other abilities it grants from what it does is necessary and important the same way you explain what other ability one can get from reality warping.
So tbh being able to bend logic to remove resistance should still be notated as is that falls under law manip and should be described as can resisted if one has sufficient resistance to venuz law manip (almost impossible to do anyway)
The reason these crt don't progress is exactly because of this semantics.
We index profile to deliver an idea to casual viewers about abilities and nature. These semantics are merely something only hyper nerds would care about and tbh it is just a tiring charade of trying to explain what William Shakespeare meant when the Chair is red.
As for law/logic manipulation. Since law is on itself is broad explaining other abilities it grants from what it does is necessary and important the same way you explain what other ability one can get from reality warping.
So tbh being able to bend logic to remove resistance should still be notated as is that falls under law manip and should be described as can resisted if one has sufficient resistance to venuz law manip (almost impossible to do anyway)
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Oh, it's time to completely ignore what the page says that proves the ability is textbook X ability. And the verse simply explains that reason has nothing to do with order and that they have no similarities.
This is a wiki for indexing powers that go according to the classification of each ability so now you try to ignore the textbook of one ability by saying it could be another? Well, if you want Law Manipulation so badly, then change the definition of Resistance Negation or add Higher degree of "Law Manipulation" and "Resistance Negation" at the same time for venuzdonoa.
This is a wiki for indexing powers that go according to the classification of each ability so now you try to ignore the textbook of one ability by saying it could be another? Well, if you want Law Manipulation so badly, then change the definition of Resistance Negation or add Higher degree of "Law Manipulation" and "Resistance Negation" at the same time for venuzdonoa.
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Fuji can't even win the argument because the standards are clearer than the sun.
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Sure, idm, it's spell based regen after all, so nothing hurts it being stated in page.
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as long as it is listed as passive one since Anos can cast those spells simply from his source, then sure, Idm, the functionality of the ability will remain the same.
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Do you have anything to say that isn't constant shittalking? Literally half this presence in this thread has either been "can't wait to downgrade touhou" or"you can't even argue because you KNOW you're wrong", like ******* hell, just shut up.
Current staff votes are in favor of just plain resurrection, so I'll leave it up to them.
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Also, low 1-C touha upgrade thread gonna be tough game!
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Bruh.... first of all in the verse venuzdonoa dont manipulate law, and every ability of venuzdonoa is a extension of can destroy the reason, law manipulation is just one of a extension the other one yeah in this case is resistence (immunity is more correct) negation
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I never said I will downgrade the verse. did I? Sounds a tough assumption
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They are under the impression that it's stated to be ressurection not regenration? So it needs to be evaluated regardless.
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It's not passive, he still needs to cast the spell. Thought-based abilities aren't passive.
Not gonna even bother with whatever the **** Dread is doing here. Either actually pull the trigger on the downgrades or stop talking, thanks.
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where exactly in any of the scans implied he is required to cast the spell?
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Will take care of that. @Deagonx @Theglassman12
What do you think about this? The current discussion led to the page stating that both abilities can and often co-exist, and practically in the verse both resurrection and regeneration were used, both are valid here, so use of Mid-Godly via <Ingall> should be valid, you can look at the rest of the discussion for more context if needed.
Character explicitly regenerated and revived since to revive you have to regenerate first.
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Yeah, if they don't participate, that's still being part of the peanut gallery. Btw could you ask planck to take a look at the refutations? His agreement came way before any of them
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Time to downgrade DMC by FUJIWARA standards
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I don't have much to say about that beyond why the **** it's mid-godly if they're reforming from their mind.
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Lol, that's why asking "which fiction has it" despite regen page saying it can have is not a argument. No one in the world remembers all of fiction P&A, we only know limited number of franchise and thus follow standards for any other rather than particular fiction. I don't know how it even became a argument.
EldemadeDityjon
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Anyway standard never said anything about passive or non passive. You just need to regenerate on that level.
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EldemadeDityjon
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You forgot Information Manipulation type 2. Which @Deagonx leaning towards agreeing on keeping it on Anos profile.
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Then she complains if I "derail" coz I point out a blatant violation of the standards.
Def not your average LN fan.
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Bruh... I don't even care for this thread but this straight up outta line and pretty disappointing behaviour for you (along with other older comments).Fuji was fighting glassman for life to let the downgrade accepted, obv she will agree
I'm not going to comment any further on this CRT but any other petty, snide and otherwise derailing/whataboutism comments should be deleted. All this is going to achieve is to continue to feed the negative and toxic rep MGK threads incessantly attract and cause future issues for everyone (unfortunately) involved.
I rest my case, I'm outta here peace! ✌
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Too bad, I am not the one who involved DMC, Tensura or Undertale as far. (only touha, and even by that, I only asked her progress because its slow)
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