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Maou Gakuin Downgrades are Back Again (For the Second Time)

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There is a slight mechanical difference, where resurrection is activated (in this case, using Ingall), while regeneration is passive. So if you can do something to prevent someone from using magic, it'd effectively negate their ability to resurrect, while the same wouldn't be true if it were regen.
Rimuru literally has HGR because of a spell.

Taking Example from Regeneration page only.

 
There is a slight mechanical difference, where resurrection is activated (in this case, using Ingall), while regeneration is passive. So if you can do something to prevent someone from using magic, it'd effectively negate their ability to resurrect, while the same wouldn't be true if it were regen.
The scan explicitly stated “regeneration”, he got regenerated.

You ain't really trying to tell me that the author need to use vsbw term and say “he got regenerated passively".

So ah, both can be written.
 
Any form of reforming, regenerating, recovering is considered as Regeneration, it could well via some other mean such as using healing ability, via resurrection, etc.....it doesn't suddently invalidate the feat in question being Regeneration
Needs a evaluation regarding having both, mid Godly resurrection and mid Godly regenration
both is the same thing anyway
 
Rimuru literally has HGR because of a spell.

Taking Example from Regeneration page only.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't? lmao

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The scan explicitly stated “regeneration”, he got regenerated.

You ain't really trying to tell me that the author need to use vsbw term and say “he got regenerated passively".

So ah, both can be written.
We judge abilities based on their mechanics, not what the authors call them. In this case, because a spell needs to be cast in order to come back from death, it fits resurrection better than regeneration.
 
We judge abilities based on their mechanics, not what the authors call them. In this case, because a spell needs to be cast in order to come back from death, it fits resurrection better than regeneration.
It can be both
Any form of reforming, regenerating, recovering is considered as Regeneration, it could well via some other mean such as using healing ability, via resurrection, etc.....it doesn't suddently invalidate the feat in question being Regeneration

both is the same thing anyway
You are right
When in the hands of a character who uses resurrection on themselves, giving them some degree of Immortality, this ability often co-exists with Regeneration, though the process can take some time. This ability is not to be confused with Necromancy, the ability to raise the dead as undead beings, but it also covers Reincarnation, characters who, upon death, eventually reincarnate the bodies of others - not as a mechanic of the verse, but through their own powers.
 
this ******* shit again
In Rimuru's case the spell is passive.
Passive or not if someone disabled it then it's useless as Fuji says anyway even resurrection page states it can be both.

 
Regeneration is, by definition, passive. I cannot think of a single character in fiction who needs to turn on their regen. Which I guess calls Anos' HGR into question but I won't bother with that.
 
Regeneration is, by definition, passive. I cannot think of a single character in fiction who needs to turn on their regen. Which I guess calls Anos' HGR into question but I won't bother with that.
As I said, non passive abilities exist. There can be a character who have regern but have to activate them when needed. I can see your point but that doesn't stop Anos to get MGR.
 
Why actually I have to give an example? I don't know more than 7 verses and none of them have anything beyond MGR. If there is a note/quote/statement on regen page stating that non passive regen doesn't qualify, I'll back off.
So you don't have an example, and Anos is miraculously the only person to get regen from this. Got it.
 
@Dereck03 Is that a web novel scan or a light novel scan? Also not really sure this is to be taken literally as him being able to feel fear flies in the face of lacking emotions, it’s the same dumb logic of people arguing that being able to soul hax someone who literally has no soul is a thing that makes sense because reasons.
 
Real.
Let's just save the HGR thing for another thread. This thread and the previous one already got too derailing and off-topic-y.
Well, this is technically on topic since this will still decide whether MGR stays or gets replaced with resurrection.
 
@Dereck03 Is that a web novel scan or a light novel scan?
We are currently using the LN, but I got someone who is a Japanese speaker to translate an excerpt of the feat to prove that Anos' fear feat is valid, don't mind if I share it here?
The part that is in the scan is from V4 part 2 which will be released in a few months.
Also not really sure this is to be taken literally as him being able to feel fear flies in the face of lacking emotions, it’s the same dumb logic of people arguing that being able to soul hax someone who literally has no soul is a thing that makes sense because reasons.
Lmao, I knew you were going to take the time to find some excuse to dismiss the feat as such, the context is clear, there are no emotions, no fear, no empathy, nothing, the gods never felt fear of anos nor venuzdonoa and that's why Nosgalia is shown like that in the scan.

I wouldn't question you if they had only said it once, but they even said it on more than one occasion and different gods.
 
Well, this is technically on topic since this will still decide whether MGR stays or gets replaced with resurrection.
Already linked the resurreccion page where it stated resurrection and regeneration can co exists.
When in the hands of a character who uses resurrection on themselves, giving them some degree of Immortality, this ability often co-exists with Regeneration, though the process can take some time. This ability is not to be confused with Necromancy, the ability to raise the dead as undead beings, but it also covers Reincarnation, characters who, upon death, eventually reincarnate the bodies of others - not as a mechanic of the verse, but through their own powers.
 
rimuru's case is passive tho it's not asif it's a unique skill or smt but intrinsic it's called infinite regeneration
Passive or not if someone disabled it then it's useless as Fuji says anyway even resurrection page states it can be both.

 
so anos case he needs to cast a spell to regenerate? I'm neutral but what if he dies before activating it or smt
 
Yes, can coexist. Doesn't mean every instance of self-resurrection is regeneration.
Change the standards then. Here scans literally stated as both Regeneration & Resurrection. Character who uses resurreccion themselves can get immortality and regeneration.

rimuru's case is passive tho it's not asif it's a unique skill or smt but intrinsic it's called infinite regeneration
Well passive or not skill is a skill anyway drop that topic my bad for bringing that up in this thread and now i checked Rimuru Regeneration doesn't even qualifies for current Standards. So let's just stop that here.
so anos case he needs to cast a spell to regenerate? I'm neutral but what if he dies before activating it or smt
Standard Never states it as Passive. Character can use resurreccion spells and get regeneration. Explanation page clearly mentioned that so anyone Disagrees should change the wiki explanation page. Though he has feats and statements for solid MGR & HGR in Volume 8.
When in the hands of a character who uses resurrection on themselves, giving them some degree of Immortality, this ability often co-exists with Regeneration, though the process can take some time. This ability is not to be confused with Necromancy, the ability to raise the dead as undead beings, but it also covers Reincarnation, characters who, upon death, eventually reincarnate the bodies of others - not as a mechanic of the verse, but through their own powers.
 
I don't know who was the genius who came up with the idea of bringing Rimuru to a Maou thread.... They seems to like war.
:pepeworrydumb~1:
I checked the Regeneration page for example and mistakenly brought up that 😭. My bad. I should have picked other characters as example.
 
I kinda disagree with the downgrade of the regeneration part, I mean i watched the anime and I saw his source being destroyed and he still came back after disappearing this would still count as HGR or smt if the
He does not even need Ingalls to come back lol.

y novel contradicts it then eh
 
I kinda disagree with the downgrade of the regeneration part, I mean i watched the anime and I saw his source being destroyed and he still came back after disappearing this would still count as HGR or smt if the
That's not what the downgrade is for.
Change the standards then. Here scans literally stated as both Regeneration & Resurrection. Character who uses resurreccion themselves can get immortality and regeneration.

Standard Never states it as Passive. Character can use resurreccion spells and get regeneration. Explanation page clearly mentioned that so anyone Disagrees should change the wiki explanation page. Though he has feats and statements for solid MGR & HGR in Volume 8.
That isn't even what it says though... It says they can coincide, not that every instance of self-resurrection is regeneration. I'll ask again, is there a single character besides Anos who gets regen from self-resurrection?
 
if you want to downgrade it go


make a thread or smt 😈
Not interested in Tensura. Well sometimes later if I feel like it. Anyway let's drop the topic.

Btw you checked the page explanation which i put. Character can use resurreccion on themselves and get regeneration and Immortality. That alone should be enough to get Regeneration.
 
That's not what the downgrade is for.

That isn't even what it says though... It says they can coincide, not that every instance of self-resurrection is regeneration. I'll ask again, is there a single character besides Anos who gets regen from self-resurrection?
Next time you say something like this I am just gonna report you. The page stated character can use Resurrection themselves and get immortality and regeneration it didn't says anything you claimed this is clearly bias you are showing right now.

Can you read now ? This is the biggest size in wiki you can see I can't help you if you keep ignoring this.
When in the hands of a character who uses resurrection on themselves, giving them some degree of Immortality, this ability often co-exists with Regeneration, though the process can take some time. This ability is not to be confused with Necromancy, the ability to raise the dead as undead beings, but it also covers Reincarnation, characters who, upon death, eventually reincarnate the bodies of others - not as a mechanic of the verse, but through their own powers.
 
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