Maou Gakuin Downgrades are Back Again (For the Second Time)

[Deceived3596]

Information Manipulation (Type 2)

This just seems like Power Modification more than anything. It could possibly be Type 2 if further context is given on if these changes affect the fundamental reality of Maou Gakuin in some way, but that hasn't been provided yet, so i'm guessing it doesn't exist, so i'm fine with removing it given the current evidence.

Regeneration (Mid-Godly)

Honestly, regardless of this being Mid-Godly or Low-Godly, this shouldn't even be regeneration in the first place.

It's pretty explicitly stated that people who have mastered magic are capable of reincarnating themselves from their source, after their physical form is destroyed.

That would be Type 4 Immortality since these people aren't technically regenerating themselves, rather, they're reforming themselves through that action of reincarnation, not regeneration.

So i disagree with this being regeneration, and instead it should be replaced with Resurrection and Type 4 Immortality. Now as for what level of resurrection this would be, i'd say Mid-Godly's fine.

If one's source exists deeper than one's physical form, soul and mind, and you're reduced to your source, it's necessarily so that your other existences were destroyed as well. Because if they weren't, you wouldn't be reduced to your source, you'd be reduced to something that's less "fundamental" to your existence.

To use an analogy, let's compare one's source to that of the core of an apple, with the skin of said apple representing one's physical body, and the "flesh" underneath representing one's soul/mind. If you remove just the skin of said apple, you wouldn't reduce that apple to its core, because the underneath flesh still exist, but if you remove the skin, alongside the flesh underneath it, then you're necessarily reducing it to its core.

That's how i'm imagining what "reducing someone to their source" would mean/be in Maou Gakuin.

Limited Invulnerability

I'm not entirely sure about this tbh, it seems like there's some weird ass curse, magic, rule etc. Which causes swords specifically to be useless against this magical barrier, while other physical attacks work completely fine against it. I'd support this by this sentence specifically.

"I could easily break the barriers with my bare hands, but attacking with anything other than a sword was now prohibited"

This sentence seems to imply that a physical attack from his hands could easily destroy this barrier, but since he's only capable using a sword and everything else was prohibited, he couldn't easily, or at all, destroy this barrier despite the fact an attack from a sword would also be physical, just like his bare fist.

So idk, I guess i'd be fine with Limited Invulnerability but only specifically for swords?, idk.

Resistance Negation

I'm neutral on this, but if Dereck can provide scans of Anos's sword being the reason why this guy was able to effect Jerga with his sword despite the fact he's normally immune to holy attacks, than i'd disagree with this removal.

Immortality Negation

I'm neutral on this, will probably change my opinion after doing a little bit more research.

Resistance to Fear Manipulation

100% Agree, idk even how that shit got onto the profile ngl.

Resistance to Attack Reflection

Agree.

Resistance to Regeneration and Immortality Negation

Neutral, will probably change my opinion after doing a little bit more research.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Regeneration (Mid-Godly)

Limited Invulnerability

Someone clearly can't read. The barrier cannot be destroyed by attacks that don't have magic power meaning a purely physical attack cannot destroy it. Why would his bare hand be able to do it but a sword without magic power can? Anos hand obviously has magic power. Using fate servants as an example, they can hurt themselves with ordinary weapons

Resistance Negation

This is because Venuzdonoa can overpower Jerga's resistance to holy attacks. Except... this is literally just layered hax. We never assume that ignoring someone's resistance is resistance neg, because assuming the hax are just more powerful is a lot less of a weapons

Again learn to read. Truly divine beings are immune to holy magic. Talking about layered hax, venuzdonor doesn't even have holy manipulation. Venuzdonor destroyed the reason that Jerga is a holy being thus allowing Evansmana to affect him

Resistance to Fear Manipulation

This is from Anos not being affected by Ivis' aura, which caused people to tremble in fear. The reason for that fear, however, is that Ivis was far stronger than anyone else in the room ("...The overwhelming difference in power between him and the students had them cowering in fright"). So, this fear manipulation only works against those weaker than the user, which of course would not extend to Anos.

Can you not twist the scan? It's not because of power, it's because of the magic he was emitting and it happens to those with low magic resistance

Resistance to Attack Reflection

This is from Anos entering a city protected by anti-demon wards, which annihiliates demons and bombards them with spellfire. It is never stated to reflect attacks, and the scan never even suggests that Anos directly attacked it to begin with, so I'm really confused where attack reflection comes into play. I'm... not entirely sure what this would be, but resistance to attack reflection definitely ain't it.

Demon repelling barriers it doesn't get more obvious than that. It repels the power of demons, he shouldn't even be able to step inside it.

But of course, that leads into the second part, where Anos gets his source ****** and regenerates anyways. At the very least, he should resist regen negation, right? Well no, because of this scene. Anos could only regenerate from Evansmana by sending source regenerating magic into the future, which means he COULDN'T have just regenerated normally; If he could just shrug off Evansmana's

Yeah at this point I'm just gonna report you for constantly twisting what is clearly written.
When a person dies, their magic loses it's effect. Aggronemt is a simple spell that regenerates the source but you can't cast magic without a source so he sent the spell to the future. That wasn't playing 4D chess. In the first place, Evansmana clearly has HGR neg so he shouldn't be able to regenerate either way

 

[Deceived3596]

Bludgeoning someone over the head with insults like "learn to read" by appealing to scans that aren't, or at least seemingly aren't, even present on the profile itself doesn't make much sense to me, nor is ethically good in my opinion.

These scans should've already been present on the profile itself, in the explanation of these abilities for clear viewing and understanding. Not something that you randomly pull out to get gotcha's on someone you clearly don't like.

 

[Robo432343]

ong that was a dirty gotcha

 

[Tatsumi504]

I'm not entirely sure about this tbh, it seems like there's some weird ass curse, magic, rule etc. Which causes swords specifically to be useless against this magical barrier, while other physical attacks work completely fine against it. I'd support this by this sentence specifically.

"I could easily break the barriers with my bare hands, but attacking with anything other than a sword was now prohibited"

No. Any weapon without magic power will be broken regardless of the material by a weapon that does.
The context here is that a weapon without magic power cannot destroy an opponents anti-magic. It can be done with the bare hands because- what does his hand have that the weapon lacks? Magic power. You need magic power to break the barrier which is why the description says "anti-magic cannot be destroyed by purely physical attacks"- attacks lacking magic energy. Why would a weapon made from a metal sturdier than steel in-verse (Adamantite) be unable to destroy a barrier when carrying the same physical force the bare hand will?

This issue was even circumvented simply by him supplying the sword with his own magic power.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Bludgeoning someone over the head with insults like "learn to read" by appealing to scans that aren't, or at least seemingly aren't, even present on the profile itself doesn't make much sense to me, nor is ethically good in my opinion.

These scans should've already been present on the profile itself, in the explanation of these abilities for clear viewing and understanding. Not something that you randomly pull out to get gotcha's on someone you clearly don't like.

Don't you think it's kinda arbitrary to accuse me of doing this specifically so i can pull a "gotcha!"? I didn't edit even a single punctuation in the creation of the profile so there's no way I planned this.

Some stuff there is inherently clear, added to the fact the OP is actually guilty of twisting words to suit their needs. For example, no where on the venuzdonor Tab is holy manipulation listed and the OP says it's layered hax. Layered hax from where? Hax that the weapon doesn't even have?

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Regeneration (Mid-Godly)

This is relatively simple. Basically, the source is a concept that can reform the physical body upon death. Except, no scan seems to confirm that it can reform the mind and soul as well, which is required for MGR. Without evidence of that, MGR should go back down to low-godly regen, unless evidence can be provided that the source reconstructs the mind and soul as well as the body.

I disagree with this, as it already proven by reiner and tatsumi.

Limited Invulnerability

This stems from the claim that magic barriers are unaffected by physical attacks. Except, that's just how barriers work; They deflect attacks and prevent the user from harm, which isn't invulnerability in the slightest. In fact, Anos goes on to say he could break the barrier with his bare hands, which obviously falls under the category of physical attacks.

Disagree, as no physical attack will affect the barrier.

Resistance Negation

This is because Venuzdonoa can overpower Jerga's resistance to holy attacks. Except... this is literally just layered hax. We never assume that ignoring someone's resistance is resistance neg, because assuming the hax are just more powerful is a lot less of a reach.

Disagree.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Someone clearly can't read. The barrier cannot be destroyed by attacks that don't have magic power meaning a purely physical attack cannot destroy it. Why would his bare hand be able to do it but a sword without magic power can? Anos hand obviously has magic power. Using fate servants as an example, they can hurt themselves with ordinary weapons

First of all, none of what you mentioned is on the profile, so please add a proper source here. Second of all, this still isn't invulnerability. There is nothing confirming that such a barrier is totally immune to all physical attacks, regardless of how strong they are. Just that physical attacks are ineffective, which would also be true of a basic forcefield without invulnerability.

Again learn to read. Truly divine beings are immune to holy magic. Talking about layered hax, venuzdonor doesn't even have holy manipulation. Venuzdonor destroyed the reason that Jerga is a holy being thus allowing Evansmana to affect him

Do you have scans of this? Because I keep seeing this claim with nothing to substantiate it.

Can you not twist the scan? It's not because of power, it's because of the magic he was emitting and it happens to those with low magic resistance

Yes, the magic Ivis emits causes fear. However, the text then goes on to explain how his magic is inducing fear in the students specifically because of the overwhelming gap in power between the two.

Demon repelling barriers it doesn't get more obvious than that. It repels the power of demons, he shouldn't even be able to step inside it.

Even so, that's not attack reflection. Also, the way it "repels" demons is by annihilating them upon entry. Just because it says "repel" doesn't mean it specifically functions as attack reflection.

Yeah at this point I'm just gonna report you for constantly twisting what is clearly written.
When a person dies, their magic loses it's effect. Aggronemt is a simple spell that regenerates the source but you can't cast magic without a source so he sent the spell to the future. That wasn't playing 4D chess. In the first place, Evansmana clearly has HGR neg so he shouldn't be able to regenerate either way

Do it then, if you aren't a coward.

I mean yeah, I know all that. Agronemt works by rewinding time to the point where you weren't attacked, so it'd be reverting Anos' source to the point before it was hit by Evansmana. Which means, because time was rewound to a point where that didn't happen, then logically the HGR neg never occurred in the first place.

Honestly, regardless of this being Mid-Godly or Low-Godly, this shouldn't even be regeneration in the first place.

It's pretty explicitly stated that people who have mastered magic are capable of reincarnating themselves from their source, after their physical form is destroyed.

That would be Type 4 Immortality since these people aren't technically regenerating themselves, rather, they're reforming themselves through that action of reincarnation, not regeneration.

So i disagree with this being regeneration, and instead it should be replaced with Resurrection and Type 4 Immortality. Now as for what level of resurrection this would be, i'd say Mid-Godly's fine.

If one's source exists deeper than one's physical form, soul and mind, and you're reduced to your source, it's necessarily so that your other existences were destroyed as well. Because if they weren't, you wouldn't be reduced to your source, you'd be reduced to something that's less "fundamental" to your existence.

To use an analogy, let's compare one's source to that of the core of an apple, with the skin of said apple representing one's physical body, and the "flesh" underneath representing one's soul/mind. If you remove just the skin of said apple, you wouldn't reduce that apple to its core, because the underneath flesh still exist, but if you remove the skin, alongside the flesh underneath it, then you're necessarily reducing it to its core.

That's how i'm imagining what "reducing someone to their source" would mean/be in Maou Gakuin.

I guess that makes sense. I'm fine with replacing regeneration with resurrection, since you can only use Ingall up to 3 seconds after death anyways (while typical regen wouldn't really have a time limit like that).

 

[Georredannea15]

I agree with OP. But I can't say anything about Type 2 Information manipulation.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Just wake up from bed when saw this argument, it's pretty solid since it can't be Low Godly due contradicting with the LGR and has all the ways to be Mid-Godly after everything that has already proved regarding the destruction of the soul and the source doing the work of the mind after everything has been destroyed.

@Planck69 this may tell you that LGR isn't possible at all. Because LGR doesn't includes regeneration related to only concepts like its proven here. Only MGR and HGR does. And I would also ask you to review the Resistance Negation argument, because making the immunity of something that is immune to holy manipulation disappear and be affected afterwards is clearly Resistance Negation.

Now cya. Sleep time.

The issue with this is that MGR only applies to regeneration of the mind AND soul, so uh

Maybe limited MGR would work? Y'know, assuming we're keeping MGR and not just going with resurrection.

 

[Reiner04]

The issue with this is that MGR only applies to regeneration of the mind AND soul, so uh

Maybe limited MGR would work? Y'know, assuming we're keeping MGR and not just going with resurrection.

If body and soul has been destroyed then there is no reason to assume that mind does exist, as mind is nothing more than a person psychic, conciousness. That's the reason why destroying mind or soul has specifically said to not fall in Low godly as it'll fall under mid Godly. Abusing the wording to mean anything else is just where it goes wrong.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

If body and soul has been destroyed then there is no reason to assume that mind does exist, as mind is nothing more than a person psychic, conciousness. That's the reason why destroying mind or soul has specifically said to not fall in Low godly as it'll fall under mid Godly. Abusing the wording to mean anything else is just where it goes wrong.

What?? We don't assume that the mind and soul are intrinsically linked, where the hell did you get that from?

 

[Georredannea15]

If body and soul has been destroyed then there is no reason to assume that mind does exist, as mind is nothing more than a person psychic, conciousness. That's the reason why destroying mind or soul has specifically said to not fall in Low godly as it'll fall under mid Godly. Abusing the wording to mean anything else is just where it goes wrong.

Mind and soul are independent of each other. If this were not so, no separate "aspect type" would be created for the two in the NEP page.

But depending on the situation of the verse, the soul and mind may be connected

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

If body and soul has been destroyed then there is no reason to assume that mind does exist, as mind is nothing more than a person psychic, conciousness.

Actually, it’s the inverse. If the body and soul has been destroyed, there’s no reason to assume the mind hasn’t been, that’s a positive claim you have to fulfill, as that’s the requirement of Mid-Godly.

I agree with this thread FRA.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If body and soul has been destroyed then there is no reason to assume that mind does exist, as mind is nothing more than a person psychic, conciousness. That's the reason why destroying mind or soul has specifically said to not fall in Low godly as it'll fall under mid Godly. Abusing the wording to mean anything else is just where it goes wrong.

Actually, it does. This is why Undertale got just Low Godly in the first place.

 

[Reiner04]

What?? We don't assume that the mind and soul are intrinsically linked, where the hell did you get that from?

Mind and soul are independent of each other. If this were not so, no separate "aspect type" would be created for the two in the NEP page.

Actually, it’s the inverse. If the body and soul has been destroyed, there’s no reason to assume the mind hasn’t been, that’s a positive claim you have to fulfill, as that’s the requirement of Mid-Godly.

I agree with this thread FRA.

Mind and soul being 2 different thing doesn't matter, since mind is only our perception, thoughts or whatever we feel, like, etc. It doesn't have any precise definition but I'll go with what is written in our pages that is;

Mind Manipulation is the ability to manipulate and control the minds of others.

It is associated with Telepathy and Mind Reading, and these powers are often possessed by the same characters. While basic mind manipulation can be used for psychic suggestion and simple manipulation, higher-level users of this ability can completely control others, drive them insane, plague them with illusions and hallucinations, and even rip their minds from their bodies.

That's clearly written that mind stuff is all related to our conciousness, if a character has no body and soul then he is dead. There are no thoughts, feelings or whatever unless he is reincarnated or are you saying mind manp will still work on those guys whose body and soul doesn't exist (dead)? because of you do, then that's extraordinary/positive claim.

Actually, it does. This is why Undertale got just Low Godly in the first place.

It contradicts our pages and Low godly definition and so wrong. My responsibility is not to deal with smth wrong.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It contradicts our pages and Low godly definition and so wrong. My responsibility is not to deal with smth wrong.

Buddy, trust me, if I could give to Undertale Mid Godly, I would, but we had to go through an entire RVR shit to decide it.

You have to to a wiki-wide revision first.

 

[Reiner04]

Buddy, trust me, if I could give to Undertale Mid Godly, I would, but we had to go through an entire RVR shit to decide it.

I can dunno about others.

You have to to a wiki-wide revision first.

No.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I can dunno about others.

Actually no. If it made such a big deal for Undertale, for MG definitely would matter more.

So yeah, you're forced to go through this. If Undertale can't, MG can't too.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Mind and soul being 2 different thing doesn't matter, since mind is only our perception, thoughts or whatever we feel, like, etc. It doesn't have any precise definition but I'll go with what is written in our pages that is;

Mind Manipulation is the ability to manipulate and control the minds of others.

It is associated with Telepathy and Mind Reading, and these powers are often possessed by the same characters. While basic mind manipulation can be used for psychic suggestion and simple manipulation, higher-level users of this ability can completely control others, drive them insane, plague them with illusions and hallucinations, and even rip their minds from their bodies.

That's clearly written that mind stuff is all related to our conciousness, if a character has no body and soul then he is dead. There are no thoughts, feelings or whatever unless he is reincarnated or are you saying mind manp will still work on those guys whose body and soul doesn't exist (dead)? because of you do, then that's extraordinary/positive claim.

You, frankly, said a bunch of nothing. If a strangle someone to death, and they die of asphyxiation, I don’t have Mid-Godly Negation because I destroyed their brain through hypoxia. That’s true for all of this wiki. Either prove that it explicitly affects the mind and abstract consciousness, or it doesn’t pass.

 

[Reiner04]

That said, I have spoken what I had in mind, Saying that mind still exist when character doesn't, he can't feel, like, think and whatever is a extraordinary claim.

Actually no. If it made such a big deal for Undertale, for MG definitely would matter more.

So yeah, you're forced to go through this. If Undertale can't, MG can't too.

Make a thread, I would agree because I do. This is idiotic if soul and body has been gone (tf where is mind?) But I won't support or care about whataboutism for sure.

 

[Reiner04]

You, frankly, said a bunch of nothing. If a strangle someone to death, and they die of asphyxiation, I don’t have Mid-Godly Negation because I destroyed their brain through hypoxia. That’s true for all of this wiki. Either prove that it explicitly affects the mind and abstract consciousness, or it doesn’t pass.

They still have souls (?), So they can think, feel and all. Mind is not limited to brain, as long as person can still think, feel or can perform any other concious activities, his mind still exist. Do you have any evidence that a character can still perform a concious activities (feel, like, love) after the erasal of body and soul?

 

[Tatsumi504]

First of all, none of what you mentioned is on the profile, so please add a proper source here. Second of all, this still isn't invulnerability. There is nothing confirming that such a barrier is totally immune to all physical attacks, regardless of how strong they are. Just that physical attacks are ineffective, which would also be true of a basic forcefield without invulnerability.

There's a reason it's listed as limited. I'm pretty sure everything that needs to be said there has been said?

There is everything confirming it. A weapon made of the sturdiest metal is nothing in the face of a weapon imbued with magic. Mere forceful contact between both results in the non magical one breaking regardless of the power difference. An attack with a plain sword and bare hands done by the same person, doesn't take much to realize which is more powerful but the latter can destroy the barrier while the former cannot. What is the difference between the two? Magic power. One has it while the other doesn't.

By our standards, I'm pretty sure basic forcefields can be broken by physical attacks with no enegy attached.

, the magic Ivis emits causes fear. However, the text then goes on to explain how his magic is inducing fear in the students specifically because of the overwhelming gap in power between the two.

"Overwhelming gap in power" is referencing the difference between their magic power not who is stronger.
Anos goes on to say that in his case, they wouldn't be able to feel his magic at all and should they do, they will involuntarily die. Then goes on to say it's a phenomenon seen in those with Low magic resistance.

Anos can incapacitate all humans in a country who were ready to fight him by intimidating them (fear). The reason this was possible is because humans have low magic resistance.

Zepes gets haxed by every word that proceeds from Anos mouth because he has low magic resistance. None of this is because of a difference in power

Even so, that's not attack reflection. Also, the way it "repels" demons is by annihilating them upon entry. Just because it says "repel" doesn't mean it specifically functions as attack reflection.

It doesn't repel them by annihilating them. It repels the power of demons. They're various other words that do the annihilation like barriers that set them on fire, reduces stats till theyre only normal humans, inflicts paralysis, seals them etc.

Do it then, if you aren't a coward.

Nah, I'm not some report trigger cry baby. You'd genuinely have to be scum of scum or an obnoxious annoying prick or actually blatantly break the rules to garner a report from me

I mean yeah, I know all that. Agronemt works by rewinding time to the point where you weren't attacked, so it'd be reverting Anos' source to the point before it was hit by Evansmana. Which means, because time was rewound to a point where that didn't happen, then logically the HGR neg never occurred in the first place.

On the contrary, you just clear proved you don't.

It doesn't work by rewinding time, Agronemt is simply magic that regenerates the source, pure and simple, no time shenanigans needed. On Nosgalia it regenerated the source, when Girisilis uses it, it regenerates the destroyed source, when Anos used it on Aeges after graham erased him, it regenerated his source all without manipulating time.

The part about time travel is only when you are using it on yourself. When a persons source is destroyed, their magic ends. You can't cast magic without a source and your magic cannot linger after your source is destroyed. Revide is simply used to send the spell Agronemt into the future before the source is destroyed and have the spell regenerate it there. It's not used to circumvent regen negation like you are claiming.

since you can only use Ingall up to 3 seconds after death anyways (while typical regen wouldn't really have a time limit like that).

Wrong, it can be used even after 3 seconds. The 3 second rule only exists because outside that timeframe, the possibility of 100% restoration without complications drop.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Actually, it’s the inverse. If the body and soul has been destroyed, there’s no reason to assume the mind hasn’t been, that’s a positive claim you have to fulfill, as that’s the requirement of Mid-Godly.

I agree with this thread FRA.

And there is no need to prove that because by definition, the source is independent of body, mind and soul.
Characters that have mastered magic can think with only their source.

 

[Verrel966]

Regeneration (Mid-Godly)

This is relatively simple. Basically, the source is a concept that can reform the physical body upon death. Except, no scan seems to confirm that it can reform the mind and soul as well, which is required for MGR. Without evidence of that, MGR should go back down to low-godly regen, unless evidence can be provided that the source reconstructs the mind and soul as well as the body.

don't agree. Everything has been explained by Reiner and Tatsumi. besides Low Godly was completely against this.

Limited Invulnerability

This stems from the claim that magic barriers are unaffected by physical attacks. Except, that's just how barriers work; They deflect attacks and prevent the user from harm, which isn't invulnerability in the slightest. In fact, Anos goes on to say he could break the barrier with his bare hands, which obviously falls under the category of physical attacks.

Don't agree. Anti-magic sticks all over their bodies and gives them immunity to physical attacks and that was mentioned right away. Reasons like Anos being able to destroy it with just his bare hands is not an anti-feat, we know that Anos has extraordinary physical strength

Resistance to Fear Manipulation

This is from Anos not being affected by Ivis' aura, which caused people to tremble in fear. The reason for that fear, however, is that Ivis was far stronger than anyone else in the room ("...The overwhelming difference in power between him and the students had them cowering in fright"). So, this fear manipulation only works against those weaker than the user, which of course would not extend to Anos.

Disagree either. The amount of magic power also determines the resistance to magic power based intimidation. It was like those with more magic power could intimidate those with less magic power. On the other hand, those with lower magic power would not be able to intimidate those with greater magic power. That was because the amount of magic power naturally gave them resistance against intimidation from people with weaker magic power.

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Reiner you don't have to put up with this. The source is already beyond body, mind & soul. Characters think with only their source, cast magic from it, store memories their and even when does memories get erased, the source still remembers.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

They still have souls (?), So they can think, feel and all. Mind is not limited to brain, as long as person can still think, feel or can perform any other concious activities, his mind still exist. Do you have any evidence that a character can still perform a concious activities (feel, like, love) after the erasal of body and soul?

I don’t need to, because that’s the distinction of mid-godly and low-godly. Some people have their souls in their mind, and if that’s explicitly the case, then it could be Mid-Godly. If not, then it doesn’t apply.

And there is no need to prove that because by definition, the source is independent of body, mind and soul.
Characters that have mastered magic can think with only their source.

Then I don’t see why it’s worth why level of regeneration, to be frank. Just seems like resurrection.

 

[Reiner04]

I don’t need to, because that’s the distinction of mid-godly and low-godly. Some people have their souls in their mind, and if that’s explicitly the case, then it could be Mid-Godly. If not, then it doesn’t apply.

That's your opinion, I respect, but for what I know, if a character body and soul has been eliminated then there is no reason to assume that there mind still exist beyond body and soul (that would put mind beyond both and that's kinda of not I see things), that's the reason it can't be Low godly and contradictory to it. If soul and body has been eliminated, then does his conciousness, he cannot perform any concious activities but if he can, that would require more evidence for such a extraordinary claim.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Anos has extraordinary physical strength

No, the reason is that Anos hand has magic power

I don’t need to, because that’s the distinction of mid-godly and low-godly. Some people have their souls in their mind, and if that’s explicitly the case, then it could be Mid-Godly. If not, then it doesn’t apply.


Then I don’t see why it’s worth why level of regeneration, to be frank. Just seems like resurrection.

Then change it to resurrection, it'll sstill be on a MGR level

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Being able to regenerate from only a source as the only thing remaining should be sufficient enough.
You can disagree but if you do that is equivalent to saying that because someone is not mentioned to have their mind erased but they can come back from being erased in history isn't high godly because you need to prove his soul or mind is also erased when he was erased across history.

It doesn't matter how are they erased as long as the source exist they will come back. What kind of logic is saying he cannot regenerate anymore because the mind is also erased when it is irrelevant to the source and the source alone can resurrect itself from simply a source and nothing else

 

[Deagonx]

Here cause of the RVR.

As for the Body/mind/soul thing, I am inclined to agree that if "body and soul" are confirmed to be destroyed, that is sufficient for mid-godly. I don't think we need evidence that additionally specifies the mind, and in-fact I think the inverse is a better approach: Unless there is specific evidence that the mind remains/is distinct from the soul, the inclusion of "body and soul" should be generally interpreted as the full intention of Mid-Godly Regeneration.

 

[StrymULTRA]

As for the Body/mind/soul thing, I am inclined to agree that if "body and soul" are confirmed to be destroyed, that is sufficient for mid-godly. I don't think we need evidence that additionally specifies the mind, and in-fact I think the inverse is a better approach: Unless there is specific evidence that the mind remains/is distinct from the soul, the inclusion of "body and soul" should be generally interpreted as the full intention of Mid-Godly Regeneration.

Uhm, no.

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of one's body, mind, and soul.

No ifs, no buts. It needs all the 3 at once. No "I don't think".

 

[Deagonx]

Uhm, no.

Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of one's body, mind, and soul.

No ifs, no buts. It needs all the 3 at once. No "I don't think".

Your opinion is noted, but I disagree. I do not see that as being the best way to interpret the standard, and my vote remains.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Again. Those are irrelevant to the source already. With or without those as long as the source exist the entity will resurrect.
As they can resurrect from the source alone that is the fundamental concept of their existence

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Yeah, we've been pretty specific with that in the past, as shown by Undertale and Trigun being denied full MGR on this basis. Maou Gakuin shouldn't get a pass.

Will respond to the rest later.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Again. Those are irrelevant to the source already. With or without those as long as the source exist the entity will resurrect.
As they can resurrect from the source alone that is the fundamental concept of their existence

Which isn't relevant, since it has no feats of regenerating the mind.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Your opinion is noted, but I disagree. I do not see that as being the best way to interpret the standard, and my vote remains.

You not seeing it as such =/= it is not like this.

It's wrote like this, and you're legit ignoring a very specific wording.

Low Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else.

See, even here it does not mention soul, just the consciousness. The soul is an optional thing, but the mind was a priority here.

 

[Georredannea15]

Again. Those are irrelevant to the source already. With or without those as long as the source exist the entity will resurrect.
As they can resurrect from the source alone that is the fundamental concept of their existence

Then this wouldn't be a regeneration.

 

[Deagonx]

Yeah, we've been pretty specific with that in the past, as shown by Undertale and Trigun being denied full MGR on this basis. Maou Gakuin shouldn't get a pass.

I cannot speak to those decisions, because I didn't participate in those threads and I'm not familiar with those verses. This is just my assessment. Whoever made that assessment in those verses might feel differently than me.

See, even here it does not mention soul, just the consciousness. The soul is an optional thing, but the mind was a priority here.

The line between one's "soul" and "mind" is fuzzy and flexible depending on the verse/religion/context. Generally, the mind can be a function/part/aspect of the physical body. Sometimes it is essentially synonymous with one's soul. The important part is that the individual doesn't clearly remain as a ghost/disembodied ethereal brain/et cetera.

 

[Reiner04]

Low Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or

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