DarkDragonMedeus said:
@Inverted Tempest and @Sixo Bullets, Triforce already addressed that tha Vaati's supposed 4-A feat and the Sol orbs being Star level were dismissed and should be dropped. Triforce already explained the latter in detail about it just being light rather than GBE, but for the former; there's no mention or proof that Vaati created space; or even a realm. It merely said he spread darkness across the "Castle"; it's not the same thing as other pocket reality feats. But let's move on from both of those.
Sol Orbs is Sixo's thing, which he can explain but is there general proof it's an illusory effect? That really doesn't seem backed up, rather an assumption that doesn't even refute what I said he BFRs you to a pocket realm he creates, which requires fewer assumptions to make the substantiation. But I'll agree to drop it for now since we're just arguing High 4-C for the time being.
Now back to you @Inverted about Demise, his
High 4-C feat is legit and Triforce mentioned that he used the Triforce to kill the weakened Imprisoned.
Going to quote the wiki here because you still don't understand, "He is driven back three times, initially by Link alone and later with Groose's help. In each instance, Link must topple The Imprisoned over and drive the sealing spike back into its forehead, and finally deliver a Skyward Strike to the spike to reset the seal. Eventually, Link manages to acquire the complete Triforce, and wishes for the eradication of Demise." -
https://zelda.gamepedia.com/The_Imprisoned
The only reason he couldn't kill the damn thing was that it kept coming back regardless of how many times Link beat it, meaning the only logical option was to eradicate it with the Triforce. Even then, having to wish with the full Triforce really doesn't prove anything at all, they can only wish grant with a completed version, not the individual pieces.
And he didn't have the True Master Sword at the time was the real reason as mentioned above, which was something he absolutely needed in order to even stand a chance against Demise. Me mentioning that Demise was overall below the complete Triforce doesn't contradict main point at all; but rather just sharing details on both sides. Both versions are
High 4-C scaling from their own feats regardless of which character/force is superior.
Already mentioned they don't have the set potency and when I asked you to prove they were the same, you couldn't give me a good response. Full Triforce Ganon is 4-B, I really don't know what you're letting on here.
Now back to debating with @Giver and @Inverted, In the ending of Skyward Sword, most of its power was pretty much depleted upon slaying Demise reverting back to it's 2nd strongest form at the time as opposed to the True form which is the same form seen in Ocarina and Twilight Princess. Now to debunk the Wind Waker incident, it the beginning, the Master Sword was basically weakened a 2nd time to be the Goddess Sword form; but the two temples basically enhance to become Goddess Longsword and than back to Master Sword (same one from OoT and TP, and
not the True MS). And okay, Golden Sword was a more amped up Master Sword blessed by a Great Fairy meant to counter the Complete Triforce; and that's
High 4-C to an overall greater extent than True Master Sword for reasons mentioned above; but there's no proof of either of them scaling to Triforce fragments or ToP Ganondorf.
Giver covered this.
Anyway, let's keep the focus on Zant's feat or ToP Ganondorf's feat. Ganondorf moving the sun around was agreed to be the most speculative and that either flipping the Earth or stopping the Earth's rotation are the two more likely possibilities. And as Triforce said, Nintendo of America has been known for making poor translations which includes the context behind Zant's feat in game. The European guidebook Triforce mentioned translates the original Japanese context of accurately about Zant's feat simply being teleportation rather than a Reality Warping feat/creation feat.
Can we get proof it's more accurately translated? Generally =/= All the time.
