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May be misrembering that, yeah.
May be misrembering that, yeah.
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We don't.Konaguna said:So do most agree that
Demise>>>>>>ToP Ganon>>>>>>>>Zant
They do stun himGiverOfThePeace said:I don't remember for sure but don't the light arrows only really stun Ganondorf?
Except Demise. But yeah, Hylia should still be above by a wide margin of the Light Spirits, which are only comparable to ToP Ganon.The real cal howard said:There's no way in heck anything short of the full TP is above her.
Except that's not the implication whatsoever nor what I've stated. You've once again completely misconcepted what I've been stating. I'm saying that those planet feats don't suddenly make him weaker then Demise as their done casually not because he can do casual planet feats therefore he's star. Also that analogy makes no sense, Saitama has no star feats, Ganon has someone using his powers that did a star feat.Konaguna said:Doesn't make him stronger? What! WHAT?
Demise has a stellar feat while ToP Ganon has Planetary ones. Saying they are causal and is hence stronger makes no difference. That's like saying Saitamas a star buster because he's always joking around
Still no feasible proofDarkDragonMedeus said:Again, read the specific details. No one said Light Spirits were stronger than Ganon, only that they were a threat to him. Also, altogether they are, not separately. Light Spirits are around 6-B individually but High 5-A together. Zant knocked away Lanaryu when Lanaryu didn't have help from other Spirits so that's not a counter argument. Link was also a lot weaker back than as he didn't have Master Sword or training from Hero's Shade.
Hylia is the literal source the Light Force's power; that's a tiny spec of Hylia's power. While at the same time, the Light Spirits aren't really above the Light Force either, and if anything, their just a fraction of the Light Force as well.
Yes,Zant fails to kill Midna but not because he can't it's because Zant forced Lanaryu to bring Midna to the Light World which is like poison to a twili.Lanayru was able to BFR Link and Midna to Hyrule Castle and tells Link that the Princess is the only one who can save Midna and return Link to his Human form.Its also implied that the Princess with the Triforce of Wisdom should be superior to the Light spirits as Zelda was stated to be the only one who could save her.Zant only brought her to the Light World to kill her and she would have died without the aid of ZeldaDarkDragonMedeus said:This scene, Zant outright mentions that he "needs her". I'm going to go my bad on misremembered as it's been a few years, but don't accuse a staff member of false crimes. Okay, Lanaryu didn't over power Zant on his own, but he still failed to kill Midna,and remeber Zant is more powerful than Zelda as shown at the beginning of the game where he forced her to submit at the beginning of the game and it's stated that the Triforce of Power is stronger than the Triforce of Wisdom.
They do damage him, as it's still shocking/burning him. Even if it doesn't kill him, the fact is they still hurt him. He's literally knocked off his horse after 4 shots.
I said mirrors, pots being solid or physical doesn't mean doesn't mean anything about it having a real sun. And considering those are all areas that were previously withing the Twilight warped regions of Hyrule, it makes sense for mirror image locations to exist in the twilight Realm. But once again, no High 4-C feat was seen in the battle what so ever.
Yeah I feel like the arguments against Zant's feat being an outleir and a stretch are far greater assumptions and stretches than the plausibility of the feat itselfGiverOfThePeace said:This too much denial of a feat. Zant hasn't even shown illusion creation on this scale and it takes far more assumptions to assume it's an illusionary world rather then just him warping it.
"Basic training" all the training Hero's Shade give sLInk is abilities and skills that no other swordsman of Link's era knows about since he couldn't convey his teachings. None of that is "basic training".DarkDragonMedeus said:I've played through Twilight Princess multiple times; including a 100% and a three heart challenge. Anyway, Link has only had basic training from Hero's shade; he did not complete his training. And as mentioned above, Link doesn't officially become as strong as the main villains of various Zelda games until the end game; his power gradually grows as the story progresses. But that's beside the point.