So much wrong with this...
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I wanna note in context when Flowey did his game crashing feat a SAVE FILE still existed and he EE'd the world before destroying his SAVE file. In Chara's feat, no SAVE Files existed anymore and they didn't EE the world before destroying it.
And? What does it relate? Nothing existed anymore in the timeline, this hella implies it being a
Low 2-C feat.
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Sans is telling the anomaly to quit, aka closing the game and leaving. Even chara treats the player quitting as leaving to another game (only destroying the game to force the player to move on). Closing the window is never treat as destruction. "how thats not low 2-C" is burden of proof. There is no evidence that messing with the games title and intro equates to reality on a universal scale. And again, save file is not low 2-C. ive explained why.
He wasn't talking to the Player, he was talking to Frisk, since they're the one who committed genocide (unless now he can see the face of the player instead of Frisk's and understand how many times they died). He later, when he was talking about the Anomaly, he was talking about Frisk's ability to LOAD, because they're the one which keep LOADing. Plus I never stated that closing the window is destruction, but just a supportive feat for his
Low 2-C rating. Same with the SAVE File, is a time-based ability destroyed with physical blows, only a
Low 2-C character can do such.
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Either youre not getting what im saying or using argument by repetition. Ive said repeatedly said they have soul manip via attacking the body and soul. Since they are attacking the body in order to damage the soul as well, they are not bypassing physical defences. Your whole logic by them attacking the body and soul at once is only proving my point that monsters attacks are designed to hurt the soul by hurting the body, or hurting both at once. Which again is not durability negation. Its just soul manipulation. Monsters attacks are treat as being being able to harm the soul and non corporeal things by attacking the body (mad dummy being a good example). Thats it. Your conclusion that soul attacks are treat as physical ones has nothing to back it beyond repeating the same thing.
I thought that my discussion with
@Theuser789 did help, since even DELTARUNE is an evidence for this argument.
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Flowey is unreliable here. Hes actively going out of his way to decieve frisk and is getting them to increase his lv through killing, even telling them to run into his "friendliness pellets". Lv doesnt increase physical stats. Its explicitely in the face of monsters and sans makes this clear in the judgement hall. Its literally just killing intent. Also the soul and body having the same power isnt even possible for frisk. Otherwise frisk would have the power of every monster in the underground and one shot everybody.
He wasn't lying,
he truly aimed for the SOUL, so he said the truth about it. Sans hella implied that the more the LV increases, the more the other STATS increase, and you can see
here how. Plus is hella possible that the SOUL is powerful as the body, nothing said that if Frisk kills someone, they gain the power of who they killed. From where did you take that?
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For users point. Sometimes it seems like frisk can move their soul when incapitated. While other times frisk is seen as moving their body and their soul moving with them to avoid attacks or even retreat. The former would sound more like astral projection for frisk and monsters being able to hit the soul outside the body...
The monster aim for the SOUL, so they kinda can act accordly to defend it.
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No. Flowey with determination being able to ressurect from nothing using time reversal does not mean frisk using determination regenerate him from zero without time hax. They are completely different abilities.
I fail to see your logic. Base DT sees as death both EE and Regular Death, so if a DT so powerful that can directly regenerate from Death, why shouldn't be able to resurrect from EE if a waaay weaker DT can save someone from it? Realy, how so?
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My logic doesnt imply all attacks are completely fake at all. My point is the fact that the attack is likely not created in the exact same manner as normal sound. And even if it is, it does not have the properties as sound and we have an example of shyren creating attacks in the exact same fashion that dont move at a consistent speed like sound would. Also i never said the attack was subsonic. I referred to the past revisions which had undynes spears as subsonic. Stop strawmanning.
Uhm,
Syren kinda attacks from just singing, so it a point at all, is just Frisk fast enough to avoid sound and is a thing that
is shown even in DR. You're contradicting Undertale style again, since you see fire being trow and bounching as bullets or some bones moving on skateboards, so again, what stops it from being sound-based since is generated from literally a bark?
Plus you're scaling is already wrong since there are still lots of characters
who have their heat-based feats as AP reasons, so the already present
9-A ratings are still better than yours.
And yes, we'll continue this argument since you've included the God Tiers here, and I'm against your suggestions and I'll try to oppose to them, since I want to upgrade them.
