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Feels a little too one-sided. But if Pre-TS Luffy got an L from a just about equally one-sided fight.. I'd say it's not unfair.
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Luffy vs. Asta but at their strongest this time
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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Which one? Because if is similar to this, then is also a stomp, because one thing is one guy being a bit stronger and having one more ability than his opponent and this one is Luffy countering everything or being better at everything except speed, which precog negates and LS is completely useless
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Without G5, then at least I won´t see it as an complete stomp (Close decisive but boring match because Asta still has 5 minutes and this against Luffy means easy win) and I would prefer Luffy in Dressrossa/whole cake vs Asta beginning of time skip where Luffy has Haki but not extremely broken Haki (ryou literally breaking his swords right now) and Asta has the AP advantage to at least give people arguments that with enough strikes, he can cut Luffy
And tell me the unfair match up, Is the Sayaka match up? Because that macht was done before Luffy got his skill section updated
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Probably? It's an old ass one that I didn't comment in. Mostly because I didn't know as much or anything.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I will do that match up again because I am completely sure Sayaka also got changed and is from ******* 2019
Luffy in 2019 was entirely different from the one we have now, like, Asta in that year was ******* 7-C and have invisivility resistance, like, wtf?
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Not really. Luffy still has the hax advantage with Ryuo and Future Sight.
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Landslide victory is just a cute name for stomp.
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luffy because of snooks reasons
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This scaling chain is not even correct. Gear 5 was actually getting bonked by regular hybrid kaido. It's just really versatile.
Supreme kong gun isn't even that strong, it made dragon kaido bleed, something regular base CoC could easily do.
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A hybrid Kaido post-empowerment, yes. Luffy and Kaido both got far stronger during their fight. Luffy himself said Kaido's Haki was getting stronger after Shuron Hakke. Gear 5 eating all the damage was because G5 CAN eat all the damage. Even Luffy's Road To Laugh Tale 4 page states he reacts to attacks differently to emphasize that. Kaido's haki wasn't even negating Luffy's physiology anymore.
Supreme Kong Gun is a compressed attack from G4, which is x4 G2 Luffy. That's not even adding haoshoku coating to it and assuming it's a Hao KONG Gun and not a King Kong Gun (which'd then be x4 Gear 3)
It isn't a feat against Luffy. It's a feat for Kaido.
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Both can verify hurt doesn't mean they are on the same level, you can hurt a dude with 9mm bullets and you can also hurt a dude with Bazooka doesn't mean Bazooka and 9mm bullet are on the same level.
Gear4th has a Multiplier and Compression also has a Multiplier.
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Empowerment? Kaido was actually stated to have been getting weaker. His haki was getting stronger because he was drunk. He wasn't drunk when fighting gear 5 luffy. Yeah gear 5 is definitely more durable than base, however he definitely wasn't eating everything. He was actually getting damaged by everything and almost got knocked clean out by the death destroyer ultimate move.
That's just the compression attacks being treated inconsistently, kaido doesn't scale to a 4x amped over kong gun, he's still being damaged heavily by attacks of far lower caliber.
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His flames were getting weaker. Yet a few chapters later Luffy literally says "His haki is getting stronger." when he's drunk. He's not going to just GET WEAKER otherwise why even put up a fight against G5. Haki bloom is also a thing.
A funny panel with birds tweeting is "almost getting knocked out clean"? The whole POINT of Gear 5's zany aspect and nonsense is being treated as that?
In that case G5 slamming Kaido on the ground almost knocked him out clean, then?
Kaido recoverd a panel later after that one second gag. So did Luffy after his.
Or Kaido's a mythical zoan, the tankinest and fastest recovering ability user, and was just recovering, getting stronger, tanking better, and having haki bloom growths throughout the fight. Not every feat for Kaido is an anti-feat for Luffy. Not when the guy is literally said to be getting stronger, not when we're introduced to the concept of haki bloom evolvement an arc earlier. We ain't ignoring every other reason in favor of ONE "it's inconsistent" when there is consistency in the reasoning.
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You guys better not add this to their profile
y’all not even arguing about the match anymore
y’all not even arguing about the match anymore
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No, his powers were getting weaker. That is what's stated verbatim. His haki is getting stronger because and only because of the shuron hakkei as a result of being drunk. Stop taking the statements out of context.His flames were getting weaker. Yet a few chapters later Luffy literally says "His haki is getting stronger." when he's drunk. He's not going to just GET WEAKER otherwise why even put up a fight against G5. Haki bloom is also a thing.
A funny panel with birds tweeting is "almost getting knocked out clean"? The whole POINT of Gear 5's zany aspect and nonsense is being treated as that?
In that case G5 slamming Kaido on the ground almost knocked him out clean, then?
Kaido recoverd a panel later after that one second gag. So did Luffy after his.
Or Kaido's a mythical zoan, the tankinest and fastest recovering ability user, and was just recovering, getting stronger, tanking better, and having haki bloom growths throughout the fight. Not every feat for Kaido is an anti-feat for Luffy. Not when the guy is literally said to be getting stronger, not when we're introduced to the concept of haki bloom evolvement an arc earlier. We ain't ignoring every other reason in favor of ONE "it's inconsistent" when there is consistency in the reasoning.
Ah yes, blood squirting everywhere and losing a few teeth while getting momentarily stunned is just a gag panel luffy didn't actually get hurt.
It's not the same, kaido wasn't visibly heavily damaged. Luffy immediately resorted to his final move after getting slapped by kaido's destroyer of death attack.
You are saying hybrid kaido went from base luffy level to slapping around gear 5 luffy who according to you far surpasses supreme kong gun which is scaling >>>4x shuron hakkei all while kaido is blatantly stated to be getting weaker. This is going against the profiles and accepted scaling.
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Kaido's bleeding from the head too. And Luffy's teeth were fine the next panel lmao. It's every gag panel ever.
G5 is weird in its feats. Luffy was taking hits more but was clearly less worried about them, while a lot of his attacks were stunning Kaido. Regardless, wherever Gear 5 sits, the scaling chain is still not entirely off outside of that. Gear 4, Gear 5, and Hybrid Kaido (and all of his variants) far outscale the initial 1 petaton and that's sort of the point.
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He was already damaged. Luffy was actually spraying blood. Luffy can regenerate his teeth.
Yes it's called inconsistency. He's just a more powerful and versatile base form, only the attacks that mimic gear 4 actually scale to gear 4 AP. A better scaling chain would be 1 petaton = fujitora < akainu < kaido < CoC luffy < hybrid kaido ~ gear 5 luffy < gear 4 attacks and higher with strongest attacks in gear 5.
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Shuron Hakke should be sandwiched somewhere in there, but something like that.
Either way, the 1pt value scales far below the god tiers at their greatest
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Shuron hakkei would be above hybrid kaido and super mega hybrid awakening ogre face unnamed broly lookin ass form dragon zoan giga would scale above shuron hakkei as it can almost one shot gear 4 luffy, severly damage gear 5 luffy and actually killed gear 4 luffy. Gear 4 and 5 stronger attacks scale to it.
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I'm actually planning on a CRT to discuss the scaling of Kaido and Post Hao Awakening Luffy
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Garou adapts and folds both in .0000001 seconds
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Garou skill stomps one piece
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Embrace the memes
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Tears won't stop Garou from Obliterating One Piece
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Garou can´t deflect emerald splash
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Deku victims
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Deku's always broken in the background for absolutely no reason
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Kind of a necro but I might as well finish this.
On second thought, even base Luffy would be too much for Asta yeah. The only reliable way I can think of Asta hitting Luffy is with Black Divider but Luffy could just… jump real high imo.
If nobody has any objections, I’ll ask this to be closed
On second thought, even base Luffy would be too much for Asta yeah. The only reliable way I can think of Asta hitting Luffy is with Black Divider but Luffy could just… jump real high imo.
If nobody has any objections, I’ll ask this to be closed
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