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We outright see that instead of the neutral space its zeno's dimension via the look, the point of this thread it to say that the neutral space is a 5D construct that is still beneath the timelinePerhaps for Zamasu but not Zeno.
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We outright see that instead of the neutral space its zeno's dimension via the look, the point of this thread it to say that the neutral space is a 5D construct that is still beneath the timelinePerhaps for Zamasu but not Zeno.
This has been adressed before, they could still travel to that parallel world, and the bridge still existed to it.Refer to this comment of mine, Zfighters still managed to travel back
But the time ring disappeared, which is indicative of the existence of a given timeline.Refer to this comment of mine, Zfighters still managed to travel back
Before scaling the characters, this should just be focused on getting accepted, but zeno would just scale on his own for erasing the timeline and everything under it. Not sure if zamasu would scale.Also Wouldn't zeno still upscale from zamasu
wasn't it just for universe 7 or am I getting confused?But the time ring disappeared, which is indicative of the existence of a given timeline.
hmmm I might agree if prove is given for the neutral space to have its own spacetimeBefore scaling the characters, this should just be focused on getting accepted, but zeno would just scale on his own for erasing the timeline and everything under it. Not sure if zamasu would scale.
no it was the entire timeline, time rings represent timelineswasn't it just for universe 7 or am I getting confused?
12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes
As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.
Also, looking into the complete scan
They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.
Translation by @Executor_N0 about the neutral space between the Universes
Neutral space is contained inside a timelineZeno wouldn’t likely scale to it since he most likely only erased the timeline rather than entirety of neutral space
Yes but this is an assumption that it has its own spacetime, however the more I think about it, hits time abilities could work there no which stores and hides in pockets of time afaik so that should be supporting evidence for time in the neutral space.Proof is here bro
Well it's not really an assumption, this "different space from that of the 12 universes" implies that it is a different dimensional space, meaning it would have it's own time, the translator made sure to make that clear with the context that was provided, and i feel like it just makes more sense for it to have its own time anyway. It's compared to the world of void and zeno's realm which are different dimensions, so its kind of a given. So the temporal dimension would be qualitatively superior to the insignificant 5-D neutral space resulting in low 1-C, which is still under a higher time flow.Yes but this is an assumption that it has its own spacetime, however the more I think about it, hits time abilities could work there no which stores and hides in pockets of time afaik so that should be supporting evidence for time in the neutral space.
During the siblings tournament?Yes but this is an assumption that it has its own spacetime, however the more I think about it, hits time abilities could work there no which stores and hides in pockets of time afaik so that should be supporting evidence for time in the neutral space.
yesDuring the siblings tournament?
2 left now we wait for the rest.@Maverick_Zero_X @Starter_Pack @Damage3245 @Theglassman12 @Sir_Ovens @CrimsonStarFallen @Elizhaa @UchihaSlayer96 @DemonGodMitchAubin I was told these needs more staff input, but personally I do feel like a lot of it is repeated topics.
Yeah it does seem to have it's own time so it works perfectly as a separate space time. The world of void needed tampering to work as I remember from Daishinkan. The only questions is whether it's 5d or not but if it is, it's pretty clear at least to me that it's a separate dimension from all the universes.
it should be 4D at bare minimum since it contains multiple 4D constructsYeah it does seem to have it's own time so it works perfectly as a separate space time. The world of void needed tampering to work as I remember from Daishinkan. The only questions is whether it's 5d or not but if it is, it's pretty clear at least to me that it's a separate dimension from all the universes.
It would be 5-D at the least. The temporal dimension overarches the neutral zone which contains the 4d macrocosms, which is still contained by an even higher time flow which is the timeline.Yeah it does seem to have it's own time so it works perfectly as a separate space time. The world of void needed tampering to work as I remember from Daishinkan. The only questions is whether it's 5d or not but if it is, it's pretty clear at least to me that it's a separate dimension from all the universes.
i think it was decided that it would be insignificant 5-D for the space, but since the temporal dimension of the neutral zone is qualitatively superior, the entire neutral zone would be low 1-C, not even factoring in the higher time flow of the timeline. It makes no sense to be anything less than low 1-C.it should be 4D at bare minimum since it contains multiple 4D constructs
No, not always. There are two optionsSpace between space times Being 5D is true for every multiverse, however it needs more to be low 1-C
Do you think you could read the recent arguments? We already brought forth the notion of the insignificant 5-D space.Warning: I only read the OP.
So, glancing over this: It doesn't really seem to be anything particularly notable, in the sense that we already assume 4-D spacetimes that exist in parallel are spaced apart across 5-dimensional space. The issue, largely, is whether this 5-dimensional space has anything noteworthy about it to be tiered; it could be a complete void, for instance, and as such have really nothing in it to blow up in the first place.
More than that, it could just not meet our criteria of what a "significantly large" dimensional structure is, and as such be left untiered. Just like we don't instantly grant characters Low 2-C ratings for destroying small spacetimes (Or sections of spacetime). If the space was infinitely large, there'd be something to work with, but if we don't know its size, then, yeah.
And, to my knowledge, I believe we already use the 5-D space reasoning as part of the regular justification for tiers like 2-C and 2-A. It's why the gap between them is treated as "unquantifiable," because, ideally, feats that warrant them involve affecting both the universes and the space between them.
(Also I don't think showing pictures of the universes literally being 3-D objects displaced through 3-D space that are literally literally touching each other really works as evidence that they're totally separated by higher-dimensional space)
The thread is four pages long already, so, could I receive some directions here? Any post with the new arguments summarized?Do you think you could read the recent arguments?
where in the page does it say that?No, not always. There are two options
1- This would be a larger 4-dimensional space (this is the case if there is no space or more than space between them)
2- Or a higher(5-D or higher) dimensional space (this applies to the cases where the universes do not intersect on any angular axis)
It's explained on this page
The thread is four pages long already, so, could I receive some directions here? Any post with the new arguments summarized?
Yeah the neutral space is a 5-D realm for surrounding all the 12 universe, with them being parallel to each other, we were arguing whether it was insignificant 5-D or Low 1-C. And we have been talking about temporal dimensions and the timelines also, i brought forth the point that since the neutral space is its own dimension which was stated in a scan, and said to be its own space, i said it would also have to have its own temporal dimension that overarches the macrocosms and the neutral space itself, so in total it would have to be qualitatively superior, so low 1-C. Which mind you is STILL under a bigger timeline also.
I share this sentiment.Warning: I only read the OP.
So, glancing over this: It doesn't really seem to be anything particularly notable, in the sense that we already assume 4-D spacetimes that exist in parallel are spaced apart across 5-dimensional space. The issue, largely, is whether this 5-dimensional space has anything noteworthy about it to be tiered; it could be a complete void, for instance, and as such have really nothing in it to blow up in the first place.
More than that, it could just not meet our criteria of what a "significantly large" dimensional structure is, and as such be left untiered. Just like we don't instantly grant characters Low 2-C ratings for destroying small spacetimes (Or sections of spacetime). If the space was infinitely large, there'd be something to work with, but if we don't know its size, then, yeah.
And, to my knowledge, I believe we already use the 5-D space reasoning as part of the regular justification for tiers like 2-C and 2-A. It's why the gap between them is treated as "unquantifiable," because, ideally, feats that warrant them involve affecting both the universes and the space between them.
(Also I don't think showing pictures of the universes literally being 3-D objects displaced through 3-D space that are literally literally touching each other really works as evidence that they're totally separated by higher-dimensional space)
What about in a case where a timeline encompasses said insignificant 5-D space.Warning: I only read the OP.
So, glancing over this: It doesn't really seem to be anything particularly notable, in the sense that we already assume 4-D spacetimes that exist in parallel are spaced apart across 5-dimensional space. The issue, largely, is whether this 5-dimensional space has anything noteworthy about it to be tiered; it could be a complete void, for instance, and as such have really nothing in it to blow up in the first place.
More than that, it could just not meet our criteria of what a "significantly large" dimensional structure is, and as such be left untiered. Just like we don't instantly grant characters Low 2-C ratings for destroying small spacetimes (Or sections of spacetime). If the space was infinitely large, there'd be something to work with, but if we don't know its size, then, yeah.
And, to my knowledge, I believe we already use the 5-D space reasoning as part of the regular justification for tiers like 2-C and 2-A. It's why the gap between them is treated as "unquantifiable," because, ideally, feats that warrant them involve affecting both the universes and the space between them.
(Also I don't think showing pictures of the universes literally being 3-D objects displaced through 3-D space that are literally literally touching each other really works as evidence that they're totally separated by higher-dimensional space)
The thread is four pages long already, so, could I receive some directions here? Any post with the new arguments summarized?
Well it's not really an assumption, this "different space from that of the 12 universes" implies that it is a different dimensional space, meaning it would have it's own time, the translator made sure to make that clear with the context that was provided, and i feel like it just makes more sense for it to have its own time anyway. It's compared to the world of void and zeno's realm which are different dimensions, so its kind of a given. So the temporal dimension would be qualitatively superior to the 5-D neutral space resulting in low 1-C, which is still under a higher time flow.
There's this about the neutral space between Universes (official DB databook)The thread is four pages long already, so, could I receive some directions here? Any post with the new arguments summarized?
I share this sentiment.
Here's updated arguments.Yeah the neutral space is a 5-D realm for surrounding all the 12 universe, with them being parallel to each other, we were arguing whether it was insignificant 5-D or Low 1-C. And we have been talking about temporal dimensions and the timelines also, i brought forth the point that since the neutral space is its own dimension which was stated in a scan, and said to be its own space, i said it would also have to have its own temporal dimension that overarches the macrocosms and the neutral space itself, so in total it would have to be qualitatively superior, so low 1-C. Which mind you is STILL under a bigger timeline also.
wdym?Is this entering grace?
Didn't enough staff members disagree with it?wdym?
we are waiting for them to respond to the the updated arguments, which they have not yet.Didn't enough staff members disagree with it?