Low 1-C neutral space dbs

[GarrixianXD]

Is there a summary of the most pertinent points that have come out of the discussion?

anything outside of multiverse is 5-D
Zeno erased 5-D void so he 5-D
Kingdom Hearts logic all over again

 

[ImmortalDread]

I really just stated the neutral space is a difference concept and you asked for statements, and I gave it to you. The reason why it’s 5-D it’s pretty obvious, wiki standards and real-life theorems postulates otherwise.

Lol, I might have lots of characteristics you’re definitely gonna be disappointed about.

You gave me a future Zeno from a wiki page?

How is that a definition of “evidence” I am asking for?

 

[Braking]

You gave me a future Zeno from a wiki page?

How is that a definition of “evidence” I am asking for?

dread guess what

 

[TiltedFN]

Is there a summary of the most pertinent points that have come out of the discussion?

Yeah the neutral space is a 5-D realm for surrounding all the 12 universe, with them being parallel to each other, we were arguing whether it was insignificant 5-D or Low 1-C. And we have been talking about temporal dimensions and the timelines also, i brought forth the point that since the neutral space is its own dimension which was stated in a scan, and said to be its own space, i said it would also have to have its own temporal dimension that overarches the macrocosms and the neutral space itself, so in total it would have to be qualitatively superior, so low 1-C. Which mind you is STILL under a bigger timeline also.

 

[TiltedFN]

12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes

As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.

Also, looking into the complete scan



They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.

Translation by @Executor_N0 about the neutral space between the Universes

 

[GarrixianXD]

You gave me a future Zeno from a wiki page?

How is that a definition of “evidence” I am asking for?

It’s the Dragon Ball wiki so would it make sense for them to lie? Not to mention it blatantly occurs in the anime.

 

[ImmortalDread]

This is not how this wiki works in any way.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Maverick_Zero_X @Starter_Pack @Damage3245 @LordGriffin1000 @Theglassman12 @Sir_Ovens @CrimsonStarFallen @Elizhaa @UchihaSlayer96 @DemonGodMitchAubin I was told these needs more staff input, but personally I do feel like a lot of it is repeated topics.

I'm not touching this, please do not contact me for Tier 1 stuff again. My thoughts are different from those who would be considered more knowledgeable on the subject.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Relying on pages from other wikis is a bad idea. At least make sure they actually link the sources for what they’re claiming.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Is there a summary of the most pertinent points that have come out of the discussion?

A space which is apparently is a void that surrenders around the structures, which is by our definition 5D; but wiki interpret it as too insignificant to the point it is not low 1-C by our definition.

Someone here claimed it is a “different concept”, while refuses to send a proper scan to back it up, and here we go.

 

[GarrixianXD]

A space which is apparently is a void that surrenders around the structures, which is by our definition 5D; but wiki interpret it as too insignificant to the point it is not low 1-C by our definition.

Someone here claimed it is a “different concept”, while refuses to send a proper scan to back it up, and here we go.

This is the neutral space after the timeline has been erased. Nothing but void and nothingness. Hence, insinuates a different concept.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not touching this, please do not contact me for Tier 1 stuff again. My thoughts are different from those who would be considered more knowledgeable on the subject.

Alright, fair enough. My apologies then.

 

[Braking]

Drake: Embarrassing.......

 

[ImmortalDread]

I still don't see why would this void grants any qualitative superiority, and no I still don't view it differently to the space that we were talking before 2 pages ago.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I still don't see why would this void grants any qualitative superiority, and no I still don't view it differently to the space that we were talking before 2 pages ago.

I only proven why it’s a different concept, like you asked.

 

[ImmortalDread]

It is not. It is the same as Pain has mentioned it.

 

[TiltedFN]

Why does that space matter anyway? We're talking about the neutral space

 

[GarrixianXD]

It is not. It is the same as Pain has mentioned it.

The neutral space itself…..

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I'm on neutral for now, leaning towards disagreeing FRA

 

[TiltedFN]

Yeah the neutral space is a 5-D realm for surrounding all the 12 universe, with them being parallel to each other, we were arguing whether it was insignificant 5-D or Low 1-C. And we have been talking about temporal dimensions and the timelines also, i brought forth the point that since the neutral space is its own dimension which was stated in a scan, and said to be its own space, i said it would also have to have its own temporal dimension that overarches the macrocosms and the neutral space itself, so in total it would have to be qualitatively superior, so low 1-C. Which mind you is STILL under a bigger timeline also.

 

[Golden_Void]

What's the consensus? 4 pages is insane for this topic lol

 

[Braking]

im suprised that it aint 8

What's the consensus? 4 pages is insane for this topic lol

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

correct me if i'm wrong but the neutral space should be 4D at bare minimum with the timeline being 5D? Or am I being dumb?

 

[TiltedFN]

correct me if i'm wrong but the neutral space should be 4D at bare minimum with the timeline being 5D? Or am I being dumb?

The neutral space has its own bigger time flow which would supersede the neutral space and the macrocosms, that would be low 1-C via qualitative superiority, which mind you would still be under a bigger timeline.

 

[Reiner04]

Or am I being dumb

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[Lord_Farquaad69420]

The neutral space has its own bigger time flow which would supersede the neutral space and the macrocosms, that would be low 1-C via qualitative superiority, which mind you would still be under a bigger timeline.

when was it stated that the neutral space had its own time flow?

 

[TiltedFN]

12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes

As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.

Also, looking into the complete scan



They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.

Translation by @Executor_N0 about the neutral space between the Universes

 

[TiltedFN]

It being a different space and dimension would imply it has its own time, as seen by the translations right here, different space meaning a totally different dimension. With a higher temporal flow, still under a timeline btw which is another higher temporal flow, this is at minimum low 1-C.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

correct me if i'm wrong but the neutral space should be 4D at bare minimum with the timeline being 5D? Or am I being dumb?

Being the space that separates and contains 4d universes, it would be 5D minimum, but the issue is if it's 5D significant or 5D insignificant

Which would make the timeline itself an absolute minimum of 5D significant

 

[Golden_Void]

What does that mean for Zeno then?

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

It being a different space and dimension would imply it has its own time, as seen by the translations right here, different space meaning a totally different dimension.

hmmm, I'm of the opinion that the true timeline should be 5D, with the neutral space being 4D at bare minimum but I'm not sure the neutral space being 5D

 

[TiltedFN]

What does that mean for Zeno then?

Low 1-C, we have the neutral space which is argued to be insignificant 5-D, and then the temporal dimension of the neutral zone would be qualitatively superior, and then its still contained under a bigger timeline, it can't be less than low 1-C.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

What does that mean for Zeno then?

if the neutral space is accepted as 5D, then zeno destroying it (as shown when the background is the same as his palace instead of the neutral space) then he should be low complex

 

[TiltedFN]

hmmm, I'm of the opinion that the true timeline should be 5D, with the neutral space being 4D at bare minimum but I'm not sure the neutral space being 5D

It would make sense because its a completely separate dimension with a higher time flow, apparently its defaulted to insignificant 5-D, but the temporal dimension would give the entire structure that qualitative superiority, which is still under a bigger timeline, i can't see anything less than low 1-C.

 

[GarrixianXD]

What does that mean for Zeno then?

Zeno wouldn’t likely scale to it since he most likely only erased the timeline rather than entirety of neutral space

 

[GarrixianXD]

if the neutral space is accepted as 5D, then zeno destroying it (as shown when the background is the same as his palace instead of the neutral space) then he should be low complex

Perhaps for Zamasu but not Zeno.

 

[TiltedFN]

Zeno wouldn’t likely scale to it since he most likely only erased the timeline rather than entirety of neutral space

the neutral space is under the timeline, so zeno scales

 

[Golden_Void]

Zeno wouldn’t likely scale to it since he most likely only erased the timeline rather than entirety of neutral space

But this neutral space exists in every timeline doesn't it?

 

[TiltedFN]

But this neutral space exists in every timeline doesn't it?

yes

 

[GarrixianXD]

But this neutral space exists in every timeline doesn't it?

This is the neutral space after the timeline has been erased. Nothing but void and nothingness. Hence, insinuates a different concept.

Refer to this comment of mine, Zfighters still managed to travel back