Limited space-time manipulation for DBS god tiers

[Paradisum]

if Broly and Gogeta can do it out of sheer AP anyone equal or stronger than SSJ Gogeta/Broly should have Limited space-time manipulation.

 

[Paradisum]

and they used it against each other offensively but why dont they get any amount resistance to it?

 

[Ionliosite]

That's not how it works. Now you're going to say they should all have resistance to existence ereasure because Goku and Freeza resisted it because of their ki.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Or your gonna say they all have resistance to Time Manipulation because Goku resisted it because of his ki

 

[Akreious]

I don't see why not when it's purely an AP-based feat like Vice Shout?

 

[ArmBill]

I agree, also people should be able to resist EE, and Time manipulation by flexing their muscles. ƒÿö feelsbadman

 

[Dragomer]

I agree, also people should be able to resist EE, and Time manipulation by flexing their muscles. ƒÿö feelsbadma

Goku did both by doing exactly that, resisting both of those is less ridiculous than Toppo somehow being able to one shot Jiren because 'muh hakai'.

As for the OP, Yes, they should, Broly and Gogeta did as a side effect of perfectly normal attacks, there is nothing special about them that would stop anyone with their strength to do the same, like with the vice shout.

 

[Ionliosite]

Sigh, the same rejected AGAIN, this is tiresome already.

 

[Dragomer]

Sigh, the same rejected AGAIN, this is tiresome already.

You can say 'rejected' all you want, it won't do anything unless you make an actual point, you're not a staff member.

Anyway that's basic logic, what's so special about what Broly and Gogeta did ? absolutly nothing, normal ass attacks collided and had that effect, just like the Vice shoot is a normal ass scream that has that effect due to the sheer strength of the characters.

 

[Ionliosite]

You know? You made want to make a CRT to remove Vice Shout now, since this argument should die, it's been rejected so many times this just beating a dead cow at this point.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The Vice Shout was agreed to be removed a while ago, actually.

 

[Dragomer]

You know? You made want to make a CRT to remove Vice Shout now, since this argument should die, it's been rejected so many times this just beating a dead cow at this point.

You still haven't made a point.

Yes, basic logic you can't refute should totaly dissapear because you don't agree with it and can't even formulate why, that's totaly how this works.

 

[Ionliosite]

The Vice Shout was agreed to be removed a while ago, actually.

Really? Now we're getting somewhere.

 

[Dragomer]

The Vice Shout was agreed to be removed a while ago, actually.

Really? Now we're getting somewhere.

Unlike you actualy making a point to defend your position, that one is really going nowhere.

 

[Ionliosite]

If the Vice Shout is removed as Cal said, then your argument falls apart. "Resistances via AP" isn't something that we should do, specially because on Dragon Ball's case, it's more like the hax not negating dura than anything. And the space-time argument falls by the simple fact no one above Gogeta and Broly has ever shown anything close to it.

 

[Dragomer]

If the Vice Shout is removed as Cal said, then your argument falls apart. "Resistances via AP" isn't something that we should do, specially because on Dragon Ball's case, it's more like the hax not negating dura than anything. And the space-time argument falls by the simple fact no one above Gogeta and Broly has ever shown anything close to it.

No, it doesn't, basic logic doesn't fall apart without any counter argument just because another thread had a decision.

Yeah, we totaly shouldn't do what actualy make sense because....you said so ? Toppo one shotting Jiren is a dumb ******* notion and everyone knows it, don't pretend otherwise.

It doesn't fall at all, by that logic we didn't see anyone do the same as SSJG Goku, so pebble level Quitela when ?

The simple fact here is that Broly and Gogeta did something through normal ass attack that we know everyone can do, so there is no reason anyone of their level shouldn't be able to do it, your whole argument is basicaly 'well, A kicked open a door and B is litteraly 930749468576 time stronger than A but we never saw him kick a door so he can't, just look him in a room and he's done !' as if that make any sense. (and no, it's isn't different, kicks are no different from ki blast in the DB vers)

 

[Darkfire890]

Didn't we like just do this

 

[Akreious]

If you don't mind, would you link the place where it was agreed that Vuce Shout was to be removed? Breaking the walls between dimensions via sheer AP sounds 100% scalable to me.

 

[Darkfire890]

All and all imo the Gogeta and Broly feat seems more like BFR

 

[ArmBill]

One day us dragonball fans will get the W and get both 2c bog arc characters, and scalable hax resistances on this site. its inevitable ƒÿê

 

[AwkguyDB]

Okay the Vice Shout removal is absolutely stupid. Vegeta's base power in the RoSaT destroying it in it's entirety is further proof that anyone on a higher scale can rip it apart.

 

[Ionliosite]

Literally the only characters who should have Vice Shout are Boo and Gotenks, since they are the only ones who showed it.

 

[Antvasima]

If it was agreed to remove the vice shout from all the characters who did not display it, I think that this should preferably be done soon.

 

[AwkguyDB]

If the Vice Shout is removed as Cal said, then your argument falls apart. "Resistances via AP" isn't something that we should do, specially because on Dragon Ball's case, it's more like the hax not negating dura than anything. And the space-time argument falls by the simple fact no one above Gogeta and Broly has ever shown anything close to it.

No, it doesn't, basic logic doesn't fall apart without any counter argument just because another thread had a decision.
Yeah, we totaly shouldn't do what actualy make sense because....you said so ? Toppo one shotting Jiren is a dumb ******* notion and everyone knows it, don't pretend otherwise.

It doesn't fall at all, by that logic we didn't see anyone do the same as SSJG Goku, so pebble level Quitela when ?

The simple fact here is that Broly and Gogeta did something through normal ass attack that we know everyone can do, so there is no reason anyone of their level shouldn't be able to do it, your whole argument is basicaly 'well, A kicked open a door and B is litteraly 930749468576 time stronger than A but we never saw him kick a door so he can't, just look him in a room and he's done !' as if that make any sense. (and no, it's isn't different, kicks are no different from ki blast in the DB vers)

^Literally this.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I suppose that I am neutral then. You should ask some staff members listed in the Dragon Ball verse page and the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Removing Vice Shout would literally be the dumbest shit ever.

 

[AwkguyDB]

It's literally shown to be a scalable feat.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

It's literally shown to be a scalable feat.

^ This

It is established anyone comparable to or above Super Buu can use it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Any feat in Dragon Ball that is preformed in a way that could be duplicated or is duplicated by another individual is 100% scalable. You obviously wouldn't give Goku Time Manipulation because he overpowered Hit but you would give Goku vice shout because the premise of the Vice Shout is for a level of power to be used in a form of a scream to tear apart dimensions. Gotenks did it because it was not an exclusive ability but a feat of strength. So logically if you put Jiren in the same scenerio as Gotenks he would tear apart the dimension with a yell and you don't need that to happen for it to be fact. That's an Appeal to Ignorance Fallacy.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that makes sense.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

People need to stop saying "oh it's ki and they did it normally so everyone can do it." No. Just because someone is theoretically capable of doing it doesn't mean they get it on their profile. Buu did it on accident and he gets it. Gotenks copies him so he gets it. Nobody else did it so they don't get it either. I dare you to find one other person who gets a power through scaling like that which isn't a result of physiology (like regen or resistances) or without being a clone or something. You can't. Because we don't do that.

 

[Ionliosite]

I fully agree with Cal here.

 

[Dragomer]

'We don't do that' isn't a good argument to justify something obviously wrong, Buu just screamed randomly and it had that effect, it wasn't even some special ki technique he made up to do anything, he just screamed really hard because he was pissed and it had that effect and we are litteraly shown 5 second later that yes, anyone with that level of power can do so everyone get it on their profiles, because their profiles are here to say what they can and can't do according to the source material, not what we saw them personaly and individualy do on screen.

Just saying 'no' isn't a counter argument to that point, if a guy do something with a dynamite stick's explosion and someone has a bigger dynamite stick, we don't say that the guy with the bigger one can't do it because 'no', same thing when someone does something with a kick and another character clearly demonstrate that their own kicks are much more powerful.

The source material is clear that anyone Buu tier + can do it so everyone Buu tier + get it on their profile, simple as that.

Using your logic, Quitela is pebble level since we never saw him do anything.

 

[Ionliosite]

Quitela shouldn't even have a profile, he never lifted a finger on the whole series and everything said about him is speculation.

 

[AstralKing7]

The Vice Shout was agreed to be removed a while ago, actually.

Lmfao this like we agreed on this nearly damn 2 or 3 years ago and it's still not removed

 

[Dragomer]

Quitela shouldn't even have a profile, he never lifted a finger on the whole series and everything said about him is speculation.

Yeah, using your brain and canon information isn't a concept, obviously Quitela has negative durability and AP with no ability whatsoever, because that make sense somehow.

Lmfao this like we agreed on this nearly damn 2 or 3 years ago and it's still not removed
Probably because there quickly was another thread just like this one where the majority of people disagreed with removing it.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, using your brain and canon information isn't a concept, obviously Quitela has negative durability and AP with no ability whatsoever, because that make sense somehow.

"Using your brain" has nothing to do with this. We have no information about Quitela's abilities, AP or durability whatsover. It's not negative, it's Unknown.

 

[Antvasima]

Cal makes good sense. I will drop out of this discussion then, as I am likely the wrong person to evaluate it. I would recommend asking some other staff members listed in the Dragon Ball verse page though.

 

[Dragomer]

Yeah, using your brain and canon information isn't a concept, obviously Quitela has negative durability and AP with no ability whatsoever, because that make sense somehow.

"Using your brain" has nothing to do with this. We have no information about Quitela's abilities, AP or durability whatsover. It's not negative, it's Unknown.
Yeah cause his function and who he is directly said to be peers with as a GoD, AKA a post almost entirely based on how strong you are, doesn't tell us that, obviously saying he can beat Beerus in an arm wrestling contest is here to tell us he is rock level and not at all relative to Beerus despite every single GoD being trained by the same kind of beings bound by the same rules.