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CAPE doesn't apply if the storm is made with physical attacks.
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Kyogre's Roar downgrade
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Lugia's feat was never based on KE in the first place iirc. Iirc, it would've been a lot higher if it was.
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"It slumbers at the bottom of a deep trench. If it flaps its wings, it is said to cause a 40-day storm."
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So everyone goes back to scaling to Lugia, now including the Regis, Mega Latis and all of the weather trio bar mega ray.
Regice, Regirock and Registeel become Low 6-B, scaling to legendaries like Moltres etc
Kyogre and Groudon become 'At least Low 6-B, likely 6-B' scaling above the regis
Regigigas becomes '6-B' scaling to Lugia (as a trio master)
Mega Latis become '6-B'. We treat all other megas as at least a 2x multiplier, so the Latis should be no exception
Primals Kyogre + Groudon become 'At least 6-B, likely higher' scaling far above their base form, above the Mega lati twins, with my calc as a supporting feat and the 'higher' still being justified by Primal Groudon staggering Mega Ray.
Base Rayquaza gets the same rating for overpowering both primals.
Regice, Regirock and Registeel become Low 6-B, scaling to legendaries like Moltres etc
Kyogre and Groudon become 'At least Low 6-B, likely 6-B' scaling above the regis
Regigigas becomes '6-B' scaling to Lugia (as a trio master)
Mega Latis become '6-B'. We treat all other megas as at least a 2x multiplier, so the Latis should be no exception
Primals Kyogre + Groudon become 'At least 6-B, likely higher' scaling far above their base form, above the Mega lati twins, with my calc as a supporting feat and the 'higher' still being justified by Primal Groudon staggering Mega Ray.
Base Rayquaza gets the same rating for overpowering both primals.
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This is sickening...
Unfortunately, I have no arguments.
Unfortunately, I have no arguments.
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(sic) ening
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Poor Pokemon,and there is that other downgrade thread.
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"At least 6-B, likely far higher" would be better for the Primals
"At least 6-B, likely far higher" would be better for the Primals
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Manga meteor is the 5-B meteor.
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CAPE is irrelevant to that feat, there are solid numbers on how much energy a storm releases per hour, so a single flap from lugias wings scales to the total energy released by an hypothetical 40 days storm.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Btw given that we are discussing legendary scaling, why the birds scale from 1/3 of Lugia's strength by flapping his wings too hard if they defeated it?
Like I get that they are individually weaker but they definitely shouldn't be below Lugia's casual strength
Like I get that they are individually weaker but they definitely shouldn't be below Lugia's casual strength
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^The real cal howard said:
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Has this calc been accepted?The real cal howard said:
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The OBD uses it for their Groudon and Kyogre's profiles, but it probably would be best to get a calc member to check the numbers match up.
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The Base Groudon one is not a solid feat calc, it's just assuming Groudon is doing what the Pokédex says he can do instantly, which he doesn't, so it isn't usable.
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OBD also is okay with the storm dispersion being a result of the two rather than Ray Ray.
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If these calc are accepted, Base Groudon and Kyogre will be consistent High 6-A and their Primals will be 5-C?
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Yeah, but we know it isn't since Rayquaza has Air Lock.
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Regarding the 5-C feat, Lina debunked the starting assumptions that led to th 5-C result. It's actually High 7-A: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ORAS:_And_Then_Groudon_Was_Herded_Onto_A_Boat
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Air Lock doesn't disperse the storms, only the effects (i.e.: water boost in rain) according to Bulbapedia. Otherwise, the storm wouldn't have spread to Rayquaza's tower.
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U sure you'd want to use that over the original calc?Kepekley23 said:
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Considering it is much more reasonable in that it does not assume this fake Sun has the density of the real thing, yes I absolutely do. That, and it was accepted by people here.
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He didn't debunk the method, he just wrote off the idea of using KE for the feat even though we can clearly see a larga majority of the mass being dispersed here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCwgcRt_YGY&t=8m57s
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Fine. Fine.
On a related note, something about Lugia being the one who everyone scales to gets under my gears. I kinda think Lugia's popularity is overrated.
On a related note, something about Lugia being the one who everyone scales to gets under my gears. I kinda think Lugia's popularity is overrated.
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10 minutes in.
Also, whatever happened to the calc for Kyogres hundreds of kilometer whirlpool churning at hypersonic speeds?
Also, whatever happened to the calc for Kyogres hundreds of kilometer whirlpool churning at hypersonic speeds?
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The feat doesn't pertain to MD continuity though, in sapphire it doesn't change the weather, it just mitigates its effects.GyroNutz said:
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The calc you linked to assumes the artificial sun has the density of the real thingKepekley23 said:
"Density of sun = 1410 kg/m^3 " clearly written in the GBE part of the calculation.
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Speaking of MD I just remembered something. Anyone know Team A.C.T.?
It's a team that consists of a Charizard, a Tyranitar and an Alakazam. They're a massive deal in the MD world, Blue/Red rescue team, with Alakazam being the strongest member.
Charizard from this team would have been capable of defeating Zapdos despite the type advantage, further shown by how it was stated how Team A.C.T. would have no problem fighting Moltres/Articuno, which they later proved as well.
When all three of them went to fight Groudon, they all got defeated with ease.
It's not much, but at the very least it secures a solid 6-B rating for base Groudon + Kyogre.
It's a team that consists of a Charizard, a Tyranitar and an Alakazam. They're a massive deal in the MD world, Blue/Red rescue team, with Alakazam being the strongest member.
Charizard from this team would have been capable of defeating Zapdos despite the type advantage, further shown by how it was stated how Team A.C.T. would have no problem fighting Moltres/Articuno, which they later proved as well.
When all three of them went to fight Groudon, they all got defeated with ease.
It's not much, but at the very least it secures a solid 6-B rating for base Groudon + Kyogre.
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The clouds get parted multiple times from their fight long before Rayquaza's arrives to the scene though. The feat is from in sapphire so the depiction of the move there takes precedence over Mystery Dungeon's.GyroNutz said:
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So Base Kyogre to 5-C?The real cal howard said:
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