Kingdom Hearts: The "Heart" is actually abstract

[Bobsican]

This will take a while, but oh well, I will do so, Ant.

 

[Bobsican]

Done

 

[HST_Master]

I'm gonna hold my opinion on this for now, but for the gist of it what's being proposed is

-Only Xehanort keeps Concept Manip, only the GoL keep resistance.

-And everyone gets NPI now.

Is that right?

 

[Bobsican]

Yes, pretty much

Also Kairi is the only GoL without the resistance, BTW.

Oh yeah, Nobodies and Heartless keep the concept manip as they can absorb "hearts", and Terra has a feat of (unwillingly) freeing the heart of Aurora as far I remember, so he can keep it too but via this instead.

Gotta add that to the OP

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

The GoL's should still have conceptual attacks, just not every attack is conceptual.

 

[Bobsican]

The GoL's should still have conceptual attacks, just not every attack is conceptual.

Can you explain?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Heartless don't get Concept Manip, that was debunked by the whole hearts aren't concepts in the same way as the site sees concepts.

 

[Bobsican]

It wasn´t properly debunked, respectivelly.

 

[TheSpeedster96]

We already agreed to move on from hearts being concepts so that this thread gets some where.

 

[Antvasima]

This will take a while, but oh well, I will do so, Ant.

Thank you for the help.

 

[Antvasima]

We still need to perform this change.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

The GoL's should still have conceptual attacks, just not every attack is conceptual.

Can you explain?

Scaling to Xehanort's keyblade attack, sorry for being late in the explanation.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to remove the Conceptual Manipulation entries for most of the characters?

 

[HST_Master]

I'll do it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for the help. I appreciate it.

Please remember to remove the "Concept Users" categories at the bottom of the pages as well, if there are any.

Xehanort was supposed to keep this power though, correct?

 

[HST_Master]

Yes he's the only one.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

What about the guardian of lights I just mentioned?

 

[HST_Master]

What about the guardian of lights I just mentioned?

You should try to get others back before I do anymore edits then just to make sure everyone is signed off on it Before I have to re:edit the profiles a third time.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to politely ask the other staff members to comment here again?

 

[Bobsican]

Is somebody willing to politely ask the other staff members to comment here again?

This is starting to feel like spamming, but oh well, I´ll do it.

Also, the matches on Donald´s and Sora´s profiles have to be readed as with the concept manip gone, nothing changed in the end to turn them outdated (Those two were the only ones with matches added, as far I remember)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks for the help.

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, just finished.

 

[Sera_EX]

I'm losing my patience. All I said was the heart was abstract (which is undeniable as I've provided evidence). However, for some reason, we got into ridiculous levels of assumption and now we have quite the number of profiles that need to have edits reverted.

This is why I don't like responding to CRTs about verses I'm knowledgeable on. Poor Bob, neither he nor Kingdom Hearts deserve this.

I'll be sure to handle FFXIII on my own.

 

[Bobsican]

Thanks Sera.

Oh well, as it seems the part at the OP in the "Update" section got accepted...

Category:Kingdom Hearts

Anyone feel free to remove conceptual manipulation from all pages but Terra (he needs the explanation of it changed to reflect the explanation at the OP, however), Xehanort and any Heartless or Nobody (Which includes Organization XIII, but only as nobodies, to be clear), the resistance to conceptual manip in everyone stays for the most part, as everyone can take hits from Heartless/Nobodies (meaning that the explanation for it has to be updated too), with the exception of those that have never interacted with such to begin with in lack of feats (For example, Sephiroth), and it´s to be replaced with Non Physical Interaction instead.

And again, the Abstract Existence for everybody stays, as we all know that was agreed on long ago, but pointing out so no mistakes of this are made.

 

[Bobsican]

By the way, this Conceptual Manipulation can scale to anyone that can use a Keyblade? (Terra removed Aurora´s heart)

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

The GoL's should still have conceptual attacks, just not every attack is conceptual.

Can you explain?

Scaling to Xehanort's keyblade attack, sorry for being late in the explanation.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, the problem is that in Xehanort´s case, it´s the true X-Blade , not a conventional Keyblade.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Bob, he did that before he got the X-blade.

 

[Bobsican]

Oh yeah, right, I forgot that.

How would it be explained as in a profile? Maybe some thing like "Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3, wields a Keyblade, just like Xehanort, which managed to conceptually killed Kairi)"?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I'd say, "Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3, As shown by Xehanort, keyblades can conceptually kill people.)"

 

[Bobsican]

Seems fine.

It´s combat applicable then? Just to be clear

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Yes.

 

[Bobsican]

I guess conceptual harming with every attack is coming back then?

Asking so I can be sure whether or not the matches have to be removed once more.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not coming back. The only evidence is the Kairi thing and that has been addressed already.

 

[Bobsican]

It's not coming back. The only evidence is the Kairi thing and that has been addressed already.

Can you point out when it was addressed exactly?

 

[TheSpeedster96]

It's not coming back. The only evidence is the Kairi thing and that has been addressed already.

Matt, please make an actual effort to read the thread. Xehanort with Kingdom Hearts has blatant Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

How is, "Conceptually killing people" Conceptual manipulation?

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

It's literally Conceptual Destruction of Kairi's Heart. That would be an application of it and not Non-Physical Interaction like you guys tried to demean it as earlier.

 

[Bobsican]

Because of the Kairi incident.

Read the OP and some of the recent comments for more information, however, if you still have issues with it after reading, please ask.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Idc if it's for every attack or not it's still objectively conceptual manipulation. Either state that he has conceptual manip but it's not with every attack or the other way.