Essence Manipulation is not Concept Manipulation. The essence is the vitality of living things and is distinctly different from concepts. It would just be Information Manipulation instead then. This would be given since the heart is usually treated as the most important.
What does "higher" mean in that context?
Other verses do have things like emotions and one's self so I'm not sure why they wouldn't have a heart. It's not like as if hearts come with abilities that characters from other verses could actually make use of. Could you explain that? I'd also like to know what verses you are referring to if hearts apparently don't exist outside of the Kingdom Hearts verse. Also, do concepts always affect memories and the past?
It's a different type of aspect than a concept but different from the body, soul, and mind.
I'm talking in the sense of how it functions in KH.
Why would that make it "higher"?
I recall having seen something like that but I'm unsure what to think about the idea of levels of reality and selfhood. Thanks for linking that chart.
The hearts fell from the sky where the artificial Kingdom Hearts was. All the machine did was damage said Kingdom Hearts. Also, digitizing people is not the same as digitizing hearts. Ansem already had technology that could digitize people and Mickey wouldn't have mentioned Data-Sora surpassing the system if hearts not being containable by data was an exaggeration. That statement being an exaggeration would also cause this statement from Data-Riku not to make any sense.
Riku's appearance changing back was part of the "anything could happen"-part of the machine exploding and doesn't really have much to do with containing hearts other than it being an effect from a machine supposed to do that. The statement was about containing hearts in data, that being impossible doesn't mean that it is impossible for the machine to interact with Kingdom Hearts and try to contain it. As for the people that went into the Datascape, my interpretation is that their bodies got digitized which doesn't necessarily affect immaterial things like the soul or the heart.
Well, it's not like as if the soul and the heart consist out of physical matter while someone isn't digitized so I don't see why someone being converted into data would mean that their soul and heart is getting converted into data as well. Roxas having been in the data duplicate of Twillight Town doesn't really add anything new to the topic since Space Paranoids and the Datascape were already brought up. Roxas' data from said data duplicate of Twillight Town was used by Zexion to decipher Ansem's code more quickly.
I get the false sympathy part but for that the need to finally feel something again would have been enough already, so lying about how Nobodies are in regards to light and darkness is superfluous. One thing about lying is that you are less likely to be caught lying if your lies are close to what is actually the case which is why you shouldn't lie more than you need to which is something that Xemnas as someone who managed to keep up the charade for a decade and convinced his fellow students to participate in his experiments of the heart should know. The memory of having lost your heart is already convincing enough to make one believe that they lack it, so making something up out of nowhere to support that notion is unneeded unless something happened that made that memory and experience insufficient as evidence and even then Xemnas would have needed to somehow convince them about them lacking light and darkness somehow, they would have all wanted to know how he would know that especially since they all used to regularly conduct experiments of the heart.
If my comments are long, then this is because of a lot of things coming to mind for me that I want to say. Am I not allowed to do that? I don't think that I've organized my comment in a way that is confusing or hard to read but excuse me if that is the case anyway. Based on what you said earlier in the thread about strawmanning I'm gonna assume that you aren't actually accusing me of gish galloping, at least not gish galloping as it is described on Wikipedia (I had to look it up since I never have heard of gish galloping). That being said you've got a poor choice of words if you don't want to come across as accusing.
You're just rephrasing something that you already said in your comment prior to that. If I'm supposed to plan my comments more out, then you should do the same and put everything you have in one comment. That would make responding easier.
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Then just make it bold. That has actually been annoying me for a little bit. Could you also please refrain from putting videos in your comments and just link them instead? In my opinion, they are just making the structure of your comments more confusing.Definition of EMPHASIS
force or intensity of expression that gives impressiveness or importance to something; a particular prominence given in reading or speaking to one or more words or syllables; special consideration of or stress or insistence on something… See the full definition
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Repeating something in a single sentence is equally useable for emphasis as making something bold is, not to mention you're acting like that was a comment you needed to reply to it wasn't. I do that for direct context but if it's confusing that much I'll try to refrain from doing it less so.
Have you forgotten what I said about putting everything into one comment? Take your own suggestion and think about what you are writing along with properly reading everything if you really saw my responses to your examples just before you wrote this comment.Just saw Nehz reply to my examples, first one is just purely wrong, no she has the exact same features, the most she got via growing up was getting taller and a different dress, Mickey should've easily been able to tell.
Nehz, someone being worried about someone does not disqualify logic. Ven is standing weird with a large weapon, the very weapon Xehanort wanted to create, you can easily put two and two together while being worried for someone. Read this a primary example without nitpicking it
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Worrying makes you overthink, it doesn't throw logic out of the window.
Tfw someone takes you seriously on Sherlock level stuff when it was a hyperbolic statement meant to explain these characters clearly aren't intuitively smart.
Repeating something can be done in one comment and doesn't necessarily need two. You made examples before I had actually answered your prior comment and it was clearly meant to support your arguments. How do I not need to reply to it in order to properly continue the discussion? Also, thanks for the refraining and please start with it immediately along with stopping with the multiple posts in a row. Direct context is alright but I don't think that having it directly in the comment makes it more direct than a link since I'm gonna click on all the links you give anyway.
I didn't know that you were reading the comment at the moment of me editing and I didn't want to clutter the thread with a whole bunch of small comments. It's also not about the length but there being multiple comments. It's annoying for me if there are multiple comments to which I have something to say.
I'm going to go back to discussing the actual topic after we've cleared up how exactly we're going to continue discussing. That is at least how I'm imagining it.
