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Kingdom Hearts: Re:Minder of the Conceptual CRTs

Nehz_XZX said:
So, AntiForm and people turning into Heartless because of their darkness means that all darkness attacks use the darkness inside a person's heart? And Ventus and all the Princesses of Heart are fundamentally incapable of using darkness attacks due to having never used any regardless of any other reasons they have for not having them? Do I understand you right like that or what are you exactly referring to?
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I already established this 5 comments ago.
 
I am still in agreement with GotP.

Also, I see AP being contested and as such I believe that should be taken care of once this thread is concluded. I assume GotP likely has their arguments prepared for that.
 
What Dragonmasterxyz and the other staff members have accepted should probably be applied now.
 
So with what's accepted if Dragon agrees with me is all people with nobody physiology should lose Non-existent Physiology along with characters losing their non-existent physiology existence erasure and existence erasure in general (asides from magic like warp) since that hinged basically on characters being non-existent.

Someone can make a separate thread for AP as agreed.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
I already established this 5 comments ago.
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GiverOfThePeace said:
Issues at the moment is regarding Nobodies non-existent physiology and them lacking light and darkness.

My argument is that it's a single statement from Xemnas, who is a known liar/manipulator who said it in the same scene he was trying to gain sympathy from the keyblade warriors, I also mentioned how nobodies consistently use darkness based attacks which are internal based energy as characters like Sora literally need to achieve anti form via the darkness they have inside from once being a heartless and such and that characters in verse that outright lack any darkness can't use darkness related attacks whatsoever, the one counter argument they tried to use was Ventus being able to use a darkness power but their own link outright states it's a power given for a brief moment by a heartless boss that once used it's gone from your command deck and induces a status effect, it's also pretty clear you're not supposed to get hit with the attack that gives you it since if you eventually get it too many times you get the doom status effect which is insta death. My argument for nobodies not existing is that the very statement that starts that trend comes from Yen Sid where he tries to say they don't exist due to losing their heart and fading from existence, he also states they don't have emotions and such and dream drop distances very twist reveal is that it was all a lie and they do have hearts and do have emotions, thus I don't see NEP as legitimate.

Their argument falls under that darkness usage isn't an argument because characters in verse never point it out as weird, that Yen Sid should have more knowledge then Xemnas as he's older and been around longer, and that there's not enough instances to prove darkness attacks are internal. Also that Xemnas wasn't lying because he has no reason to. Seems far shorter but it's mostly just them stating the statements in this case are correct.
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With 5 comments ago, you are referring to this comment, right?
 
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I don't know what's up with you not answering me but I'll just make the assumption that I quoted the right comment. That being said, if you've got a problem, tell me instead of just stopping to say anything at all, that's just rude.

GiverOfThePeace said:
Issues at the moment is regarding Nobodies non-existent physiology and them lacking light and darkness.

My argument is that it's a single statement from Xemnas, who is a known liar/manipulator who said it in the same scene he was trying to gain sympathy from the keyblade warriors, I also mentioned how nobodies consistently use darkness based attacks which are internal based energy as characters like Sora literally need to achieve anti form via the darkness they have inside from once being a heartless and such and that characters in verse that outright lack any darkness can't use darkness related attacks whatsoever, the one counter argument they tried to use was Ventus being able to use a darkness power but their own link outright states it's a power given for a brief moment by a heartless boss that once used it's gone from your command deck and induces a status effect, it's also pretty clear you're not supposed to get hit with the attack that gives you it since if you eventually get it too many times you get the doom status effect which is insta death. My argument for nobodies not existing is that the very statement that starts that trend comes from Yen Sid where he tries to say they don't exist due to losing their heart and fading from existence, he also states they don't have emotions and such and dream drop distances very twist reveal is that it was all a lie and they do have hearts and do have emotions, thus I don't see NEP as legitimate.

Their argument falls under that darkness usage isn't an argument because characters in verse never point it out as weird, that Yen Sid should have more knowledge then Xemnas as he's older and been around longer, and that there's not enough instances to prove darkness attacks are internal. Also that Xemnas wasn't lying because he has no reason to. Seems far shorter but it's mostly just them stating the statements in this case are correct.
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Well, only some Nobodies actually use darkness attacks, not all of them. They do have all the Corridors of Darkness in common but that is not an attack and not something that is unique to them either.

AntiForm and people turning into Heartless because of their darkness don't show that all darkness attacks are based on internal darkness. The energy used for magic itself isn't darkness after all. I've already mentioned that Ventus and the Princesses of Heart have plenty of reasons not to have darkness powers outside of having no darkness in their heart, so they definitely aren't outright proving something, especially since people with darkness powers are in the minority compared to those without.

That counter argument about Ventus using a darkness power came from Bobsican not me, so please don't ascribe that to me as well. I didn't find that convincing either.

It's not just about there being not enough instances for darkness attacks being internal. What is implying that all of them are internal? Instances of that being the case don't prove it and calling them implications would be a stretch in my opinion.


The following is what Bobsican wanted me to post for him since he is apparently busy:

According to Yen Sid, Nobodies are empty shells which are destined to return to darkness which is what them dissolving into darkness is probably representing. It can also be interpreted as a reference to them eventually reuniting with their released heart from having their Heartless destroyed. Nobodies vanishing into darkness isn't the same as them consisting of it or having it as a part of them, expecially since Yen Sid who said that they will return to darkness specifically refers to them as empty shells. Not to mention that Heartless are already the ones who are representing the darkness from peoples' hearts. There is also the fact that Xion didn't dissolve into darkness when she died despite being a Nobody and Namine is the Nobody of Kairi who as one of the Princesses of Heart has no darkness in her heart.
 
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What blog post? Only administrators and bureaucrats can edit them, as far as I am aware, yes.
 
Antvasima said:
What blog post? Only administrators and bureaucrats can edit them, as far as I am aware, yes.
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Didn't he say though that he could apply changes to them but didn't know if he was allowed to? That's pretty strange. Is it just a matter of wording here?
 
The Physiology pages aren't locked so feel free to edit them based on the changes accepted here.

I will make a discussion thread for the KH AP arguments. Then afterwards, a CRT. Is it safe to say we are done here?
 
Let's not nitpick please.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
The Physiology pages aren't locked so feel free to edit them based on the changes accepted here.

I will make a discussion thread for the KH AP arguments. Then afterwards, a CRT. Is it safe to say we are done here?
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Not really, GiverOfThePeace has been ignoring my last few comments and hasn't even given an explanation as to why.
 
Anyway, the accepted revisions have to be applied before this thread is closed.
 
Antvasima said:
Anyway, the accepted revisions have to be applied before this thread is closed.
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Nehz_XZX said:
Not really, GiverOfThePeace has been ignoring my last few comments and hasn't even given an explanation as to why.
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I'd like to at least get a reply from GiverOfThePeace before the thread gets closed. It isn't exactly alright for him to just not answer.
 
Yes, and the accepted revisions need to be applied first as well.
 
Antvasima said:
What blog post? Only administrators and bureaucrats can edit them, as far as I am aware, yes.
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These three:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Nobody Physiology

After a being becomes a Heartless by losing its "heart", their body and soul are left to become Nobodies if the subject is strong-willed enough (As otherwise it just vanishes from existence and doesn't actually become one). Nobodies are generally white in appearance, and are essentially empty...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
vsbattles.fandom.com

Heartless Physiology

As a creature formed when a "Heart" falls to darkness, Heartless are completely lacking in emotion and intelligence, only having instinct to collect hearts. Their appearance wildly varies depending on the individual that fell. There exist two different types of Heartless, Purebloods (Which are...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dream Eater Physiology

Only existing in the Realm of Sleep, where worlds restored from darkness lie in slumber, there exist two different classifications of Dream Eaters, Spirits (Who eat nightmares and replace them with good dreams) and Nightmares (Which eat good dreams and replace them with nightmares). Superhuman...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Okay, I'll address the stuff this Saturday, sorry for being too busy to properly give information here at the moment.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
These three:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Nobody Physiology

After a being becomes a Heartless by losing its "heart", their body and soul are left to become Nobodies if the subject is strong-willed enough (As otherwise it just vanishes from existence and doesn't actually become one). Nobodies are generally white in appearance, and are essentially empty...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
vsbattles.fandom.com

Heartless Physiology

As a creature formed when a "Heart" falls to darkness, Heartless are completely lacking in emotion and intelligence, only having instinct to collect hearts. Their appearance wildly varies depending on the individual that fell. There exist two different types of Heartless, Purebloods (Which are...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dream Eater Physiology

Only existing in the Realm of Sleep, where worlds restored from darkness lie in slumber, there exist two different classifications of Dream Eaters, Spirits (Who eat nightmares and replace them with good dreams) and Nightmares (Which eat good dreams and replace them with nightmares). Superhuman...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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These are blog posts? Whatever, the physiology pages can simply be edited. I've already said that before and done that myself. Also, how long do you plan on ignoring me?
 
The physiology pages are not locked and not blog posts, as far as I am aware.
 
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DatOneWeeb said:
At this point a majority of people are fine with ending the thread, you are the only one arguing. It'd be going in circles if it would just go on, especially when it's just you.
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In that case, he should just tell me instead of simply stopping to say anything at all to me.
 
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