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Kingdom Hearts: KH and Zeus are a lie plus KH (World) upgrade

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GiverOfThePeace said:
3-A feat is scaling to something everyone was going to die too

High 4-C feat was scaling to a character off-screen doing a Telekinesis feat that's higher then True KH's feat which one-shotted the main villain of KH 1

So those need to go and in place are the High 6-A and 5-A feat
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Okay. Thank you. That seems fine then.
 
Okay. It can probably be applied then.

Please remember to carefully read through and follow the instructions in our Common Editing Mistakes page, so no badly structured edits are made, and extensive cleanup work will not be necessary.

If you change the statistics for any characters, also remember to update the tier categories at the bottoms of the profile pages.
 
I'm going to go more into detail on how to re-tier everyone to then see if everyone is fine with it, but it will take a while for me to do so as I'm too busy to evaluate over 50 profiles right now, so I'll have to do it next week.
 
Okay. No problem. Thank you very much for helping out and trying to strive for accuracy.
 
I have some form of knowledge on this series, so I guess I’ll give my two cents here.

can I ask row quick does Xehanort have any in canon power boost between BBS and KH3? Or has he been roughly the same in terms of power level?
 
Well, between BbS and KHIII Xehanort was using Terra's body and got divided into Ansem and Xemnas. Unless that made him somehow stronger he should be exactly as he used to be before getting the Kingdom Hearts and X-Blade boosts. Someone like Ventus for example is capable of holding his own despite having been asleep for that entire time span, so there cannot have been too much of a power escalation.
 
Ok, and do we have any calc on how strong controlling the seas in the Little mermaid would be?
 
Theglassman12 said:
I have some form of knowledge on this series, so I guess I’ll give my two cents here.

can I ask row quick does Xehanort have any in canon power boost between BBS and KH3? Or has he been roughly the same in terms of power level?
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Xehanort fuses with 13 alternate past versions of himself when he's fighting Sora and co. in the final battle of KH 3.
 
so he mostly gets a power boost with the 13 keys. If that's the case, shouldn't the 5-A feat be somewhat weaker when scaling the other characters that aren't Sora and Mickey since they were comparable with replicanort with a single keyblade, and sora and mickey were the only ones capable of beating xehanort with all 13 keyblades, which happens to be the one who did said 5-A feat? On top of the fact that Riku kinda got swatted away with no difficulty by Xehanort with the 13 blades. At worse they'd go down to roughly 8 yottatons if my math is right, and the actual top tiers being where the calc is.

I'm aware of that, I'm asking if we have an exact number on how strong it is to be precise.
 
Theglassman12 said:
so he mostly gets a power boost with the 13 keys. If that's the case, shouldn't the 5-A feat be somewhat weaker when scaling the other characters that aren't Sora and Mickey since they were comparable with replicanort with a single keyblade, and sora and mickey were the only ones capable of beating xehanort with all 13 keyblades, which happens to be the one who did said 5-A feat? On top of the fact that Riku kinda got swatted away with no difficulty by Xehanort with the 13 blades. At worse they'd go down to roughly 8 yottatons if my math is right, and the actual top tiers being where the calc is.

I'm aware of that, I'm asking if we have an exact number on how strong it is to be precise.
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That's why I suggested possibly far higher for the others.

No clue, I just know it's commonly accepted as High 6-A.
 
If that’s the case, I don’t mind the change to High 6-A and 5-A. I can see solid 5-A for Xehanort, the BBS trio, Mickey and Sora in KH3, but I’m not sure how the others would scale. As for the rest I’ll leave that to you guys.
 
Bobsican:

Tell us here when you are done please.
 
I was originally going to list all profiles, but after seeing that there's over 100, that and how it would make revisions quite slowed if I went redundandly on detail like that, I just summarized how the tiering changes should go:

Those that are already in the following tier go to the one mentioned afterwards:

At least High 4-C -> At least High 6-A (Zeus gets "At least High 6-A, High 4-C with Telekinesis")

Possibly 3-A -> At least High 6-A, possibly 5-A (Kairi and Mickey get "At least High 6-A, possibly 5-A, 5-A while amped by Sora" or so)

3-A (Plus everyone that's in the scaling chain in the level of Lingering Will and above, so Xehanort, Sora, Yozora, the Foretellers, KHx/KHUX Protagonist, Xigbar (As Luxu), Master of Masters, Lingering Will and probably Terra after merging back with it, oh, and Riku now that I think about it as Terra tells him that he doesn't have anything to teach him) -> 5-A

True Kingdom Hearts and X-Blade: 3-A -> 2-C (The High 4-C rating stays here)

Is everyone fine with the changes going like this?
 
Would the 5-As that aren’t Sora and Mickey scale to the single keyblade xehanort? Because I brought up how the 5-A feat was done by a 13 key blade Xehanort, which should downscale everyone else that didn’t fight that xehanort
 
What's the reason for pre-Keyblade graveyard characters having an "At least" before their High 6-A? The High 6-A feat is done by Trident Ursula whose one of the more powerful opponents in the series.
 
Bobsican's suggestions seem fine to me. What do other staff members here think?
 
Theglassman12 said:
Would the 5-As that aren’t Sora and Mickey scale to the single keyblade xehanort? Because I brought up how the 5-A feat was done by a 13 key blade Xehanort, which should downscale everyone else that didn’t fight that xehanort
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I explained the reason above it wouldn't as easily downscale. It's a massive amp from Xehanort that only really Sora fought against, and we can't even really scale it to Kairi since next game she gets easily beaten by a Xehanort without a keyblade then basically one-shotted once he brings out his keyblade.

It should be
Any of the Keyblade Graveyard guardians get At least High 6-A, likely far higher
Sora & Xehanort get At least High 6-A, likely 5-A
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
What's the reason for pre-Keyblade graveyard characters having an "At least" before their High 6-A? The High 6-A feat is done by Trident Ursula whose one of the more powerful opponents in the series.
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Oh right, the "likely far higher" would cover it.
However, I don't think we should leave it as vague with just "far higher" when we do know the end (5-A) if this is the case, hence why I recommend, to remain consistent and avoid unecessary vagueness, to replace the "far higher" with "5-A", and so the Guardians of Light and True Organization XIII members that can theorically scale would get "High 6-A, likely 5-A" in such case.
Kairi could maybe downscale as she shouldn't be far behind Lea, as she explicitly trained with him while several events of KHIII went.
 
I am personally fine with these changes.
 
Bobsican said:
Oh right, the "likely far higher" would cover it.
However, I don't think we should leave it as vague with just "far higher" when we do know the end (5-A) if this is the case, hence why I recommend, to remain consistent and avoid unecessary vagueness, to replace the "far higher" with "5-A", and so the Guardians of Light and True Organization XIII members that can theorically scale would get "High 6-A, likely 5-A" in such case.
Kairi could maybe downscale as she shouldn't be far behind Lea, as she explicitly trained with him while several events of KHIII went.
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The reason why they get far higher is because they most def do not scale to 13x amped Xehanort but are clearly far stronger then Atlantica Sora.

The Kairi point would further prove why Lea needs a far higher rather then a straight up 5-A.
 
I mean, they do fight the Xehanorts in Re:Mind, although they aren't merged like when Sora, Donald, Goofy (And amped Kairi and Mickey IIRC) fights them, so it's arguable that they can still downscale within the level of 5-A, as the level they would be in the possibility that they're far higher than the High 6-A rating seems to be clearly within the 5-A level as they can still somewhat keep up with others, and no one is treated as "dead weight" or so.
I guess for Kairi and Lea it would be safer to change the "High 6-A, likely 5-A" to just "High 6-A, possibly 5-A" or so on their case while we are on that, as I do have to agree that they appear to be the weakest guardians of light.
 
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Bobsican said:
I mean, they do fight the Xehanorts in Re:Mind, although they aren't merged like when Sora, Donald, Goofy (And amped Kairi and Mickey IIRC) fights them, so it's arguable that they can still downscale within the level of 5-A, as the level they would be in the possibility that they're far higher than the High 6-A rating seems to be clearly within the 5-A level as they can still somewhat keep up with others, and no one is treated as "dead weight" or so.
I guess for Kairi and Lea it would be safer to change the "High 6-A, likely 5-A" to just "High 6-A, possibly 5-A" or so on their case while we are on that, as I do have to agree that they appear to be the weakest guardians of light.
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Separately, not merged together. The merged together is a exponential amp, not a linear one. Possibly far higher works far better then "possibly 5-A". When there's nothing remotely implying they scale to a merged Xehanort.
 
It's fine for Kairi and Mickey to remain 5-A while amped by Sora then? That's the last detail left in that case, if everyone is fine with how this is going.
 
Okay, I'll apply the edits this Saturday, in the meantime others can discuss any other details to discuss or if they disagree with something.
 
Thank you for helping out with making the profile pages more reliable, and trying to be professional in this respect despite that you really like the series.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Separately, not merged together. The merged together is a exponential amp, not a linear one. Possibly far higher works far better then "possibly 5-A". When there's nothing remotely implying they scale to a merged Xehanort.
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Wait, how would we know that the amp is exponential? Was that stated or is that extrapolated from the calculation results?
 
Also, should Sora and Xehanort have "2-C via Kingdom Hearts"? Note that it obviously wouldn't scale ot physical stats
 
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