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@Ultima_Reality @KingPin0422
Do you have the time and energy to evaluate Bobsican's last post above?
Do you have the time and energy to evaluate Bobsican's last post above?
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I mostly agree with what Ultima said in this comment (except I just find the assumption for space between universes to be straight bs. It's most often just treated as a void or whatev).I'm going to summarize the talk with DT:
- The space between universes indeed is assumed to be 5-D, however, significant proof over all of its axises being of significant size would be required for Low 1-C by significantly affecting it or similar as we'd do for other spaces. In any case it seems that's up to debate and he seems to lack the time to evaluate that, but Ultima does find it weird that a statement over such space being "infinite" not being enought, out of how we don't assume that a statement over a space being infinite isn't defaulted to only one of its axises, but rather just all of them.
- 2-A appears to be fine by the same proposed reasons as before and he agrees with that.
- He's yet to reply on whether universes with no 5-D space between them would fall as just Low 2-C regardless of the number, but he did mention they'd be "Tier 2".
Therefore, may I ask that @Ultima_Reality shares his thoughts on the remaining points in lack of better options? I'd ask @KingPin0422 as well, but I'm aware he's recovering from IRL stuff.
Here, namely regarding the Low 1-C stuff based on significantly affecting all the space between universes, which is stated to be infinite, and inherently assumed on the site to be 5-D as said before. Semantics on whether universes without 5-D space are Low 2-C regardless of the number is quite irrelevant for this CRT now.@Bobsican where do I start from?
I read it and also read a lil bit of the blog. And yeah that’s not low 1CHere, namely regarding the Low 1-C stuff based on significantly affecting all the space between universes, which is stated to be infinite, and inherently assumed on the site to be 5-D as said before. Semantics on whether universes without 5-D space are Low 2-C regardless of the number is quite irrelevant for this CRT now.
I'll also mention that in this case the stuff that encompasses the 2-B cosmology is regarded as an infinite space, so Yuri's concern on that regard should be covered, respectively, especially with DontTalk also backing up that standard of a 5-D space being virtually always a thing between universes for our purposes.
I'd also recommend to check the talk with DT to ensure that nothing's being missed, especially if anyone wants some scans and all.
Then 2A is fine thenThere's no proposal for a "likely 2-A" on the thread as far I'm aware, just flat-out 2-A.
And like I said aboveboard assuming the space between universes is 5D is kind of wrong and should be a case by case basis and in this case it is not 5D. It been called infinite does not mean a thing might as well be a H3A space that encompasses many 3A spaces.In any case, as DT mentions here, we do assume that the space between universes is inherently 5-D, otherwise there'd be no reason to make multipliers invalid in Low 2-C to jump to 2-C or above (which is a site standard), if anything the concern appears to be on whether all of its axises are of significant size for the purposes of Low 1-C, to which I already cite how it's regarded as an infinite space that's also regarded to be an "hyperspace" in relation to one of the many universes it contains
You need further proof on your side that this is 5D and been called hyperspace does not mean much and also you linked the wrong scan in your blogDT thinks that it may not be enought given that the matter on whether that includes all of its axises is unclear, but Ultima thinks it'd be odd to claim that given we default to that referring to all of them as much we don't default to whenever a universe is stated to be infinite to only refer to a single direction, and I agree with him, but we need further confirmation on either side.
Wouldn't that require a site-wide CRT? Currently that's the standard and we'd require something to claim otherwise. In any case, we already accept that such space contains a 2-B amount of universes, it'd also be safe to claim that it'd be an higher infinity given that it's regarded as an infinite space outside yet another infinite space (a universe), hence 5-D.And like I said aboveboard assuming the space between universes is 5D is kind of wrong and should be a case by case basis and in this case it is not 5D. It been called infinite does not mean a thing might as well be a H3A space that encompasses many 3A spaces.
You need further proof on your side that this is 5D and been called hyperspace does not mean much and also you linked the wrong scan in your blog
That makes sense to me.I'd argue further but I was notified of this being the main reason we don't rate the space between universes as a whole 5-D for the purposes of Low 1-C even if explicitly infinite, so if there's no objections by tomorrow or so, the current 2-B to 2-A stuff will be applied given its current acceptance.
I can't wait for Anos vs inserts kingdom Hearts character after this gets applied. Cancer, I tell yaWouldn't that require a site-wide CRT? Currently that's the standard and we'd require something to claim otherwise. In any case, we already accept that such space contains a 2-B amount of universes, it'd also be safe to claim that it'd be an higher infinity given that it's regarded as an infinite space outside yet another infinite space (a universe), hence 5-D.
I should also mention that it wasn't the wrong scan, I just linked the section that explains everything, but if you want that scan in particular and all, just read the citations linked, in this case this one while we're on that, and before you ask, this "city" refers in context to the universe in which Disney Town is, with the Hyperspace being, well, the Ocean Between given that's where he ended up.
I'd argue further but I was notified of this being the main reason we don't rate the space between universes as a whole 5-D for the purposes of Low 1-C even if explicitly infinite, so if there's no objections by tomorrow or so, the current 2-B to 2-A stuff will be applied given its current acceptance.
not the place to say that.I can't wait for Anos vs inserts kingdom Hearts character after this gets applied. Cancer, I tell ya
I agree with this.Way more supporting context is needed to prove Low 1-C, as DontTalkDT said. I am fine with 2-A, from what I read.
@DarkDragonMedeusIn the meantime, we may as well apply this to the Universe criteria, to keep things solid and nothing is forgotten.
Okay. That is probably fine.Sorry for the double post, but given that about a whole day has gone without objections and all, combined with the considerable acceptance of 2-B and 2-A and all, I'll go ahead and start applying the stuff.
Thank you. I will check.
That should be the case for True Kingdom Hearts.If they can actually destroy or recreate an infinite number of universes at the same time, they qualify for Multiversal+ though.
Can't you use MassEdit?I don't think that Elizhaa, AKM, or Abstractions would be willing to handle such a task for you, and I don't have the available time or know-how.
I mean, it doesn't harm anyone to use them for this situation tbh. I don't see what's wrong with it.We tend to only use mass-editing scripts for importsnt revision projects that affect our entire wiki, not for verse-specific character statistics.
If you want, i can help with thisI'd like to request that a bot automatically does the following edits on all pages in the verse that have the Tier Low 2-C category:
- Replace {{Low 2-C}} with {{2-B}}
- Replace "Universe level+" with "Multiverse level"
- Replace "Universal+" with "Multiversal"
These changes would quickly apply most of the revisions with no issue, as last I checked most pages actually rely on scaling to someone else in terms of justification, but of course I'd rather manually edit those that'd be 2-A after this.