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You mean impact indiction?Isn't there smoke coming from his boot there
This is now his boosters look, not like smoke:
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You mean impact indiction?Isn't there smoke coming from his boot there
No? That's not the case at all, there's no sign that the boosters were activated at any moment when fighting King, if they were activated then he would have moved Momo away really fast, but he didn't.And like the rest of Germa when he's using the raid Suit he's using the boosters, Sanji's first time using the suit just to move automatically activated them.
DelusionIdk man they look a tad similar to me
Btw who are you voting for?For the stuff you already addressed could you quote it cause I'm not going through 4 pages.
And like the rest of Germa when he's using the raid Suit he's using the boosters, Sanji's first time using the suit just to move automatically activated them.
I didn't count Decieved's as he said offsite that it was a joke vote, but Arc personally asked me to link him the arguments for both sides, which I did, then he voted accordingly.Arc and Deceived never listed the reasons they think Sanji wins, so until then their votes can't be counted going by the rules.
Could I see him say why he voted Sanji?I didn't count Decieved's as he said offsite that it was a joke vote, but Arc personally asked me to link him the arguments for both sides, which I did, then he voted accordingly.
I don't doubt he votes for Sanji, I just want to make sure we all follow the rules.Sure. I just called him over
Can't post scans right now but for the first point Queen wasn't even looking at Sanji when he was spinning him around so being taken off guard isn't evidence of him blitzing him. The second hit isn't portrayed as Queen being blitzed, just him taking a dibale jambe attack without retaliating like he did nearly everyother time; simply put taking a hit isn't the same as blitzing your opponent.
I already discussed this with you off-site months ago that was an art error as seen by the fact prior to the clash and immediately after he had his flame on; effectively meaning he would have randomly turned his flame off at a point where it wouldn't have benefited him.
It is, Sanji simply propelling himself off a roof automatically activated them; for the other vinsmokes iirc the only time an actual booster effect was shown was when they were first being introduced as a concept (Judge & Stealth Black).That's just not true.
Bro, Sanji was literally moving in a slow pace while caring Momo and then turned back to block King's attack, he didn't activate the boosters at all.It is, Sanji simply propelling himself off a roof automatically activated them; for the other vinsmokes iirc the only time an actual booster effect was shown was when they were first being introduced as a concept (Judge & Stealth Black).
That's true, although he was still unable to escape from King's zoan form tackle which should have been possible if he used his flotation devices & boosters (assuming they were faster than him) considering King only had him suspended on his beak via momentum as he wasn't actually grabbing onto him.Bro, Sanji was literally moving in a slow pace while caring Momo and then turned back to block King's attack, he didn't activate the boosters at all.
It's not any different from the scene where he clashed with Hybrid P1 and was sent flying even tho he is stronger than P1 with the boosters, not all RS attacks have the boosters.
Not voting yet since I haven't read the rest of the thread, just giving my thoughts on some of the speed scaling points.Btw who are you voting for?
Which is just further proof that the boosters aren't always active IMO, but yeah, they should have been enough to escape from the momentum.That's true, although he was still unable to escape from King's zoan form tackle which should have been possible if he used his flotation devices & boosters (assuming they were faster than him) considering King only had him suspended on his beak via momentum as he wasn't actually grabbing onto him.
Yeah, their speed is equal if DJ/Ifrit aren't FTE by themselves (i have been saying the speed point is moot since the start, btw, idk why everyone is focusing on it).Not voting yet since I haven't read the rest of the thread, just giving my thoughts on some of the speed scaling points.
Not for simply having higher Buso layers than Sanji since his resistance comes from having the Exo-Skelton in conjunction with haki.Can King resist Ifrit Jambe?
I personally think so due to him supposedly having 3 layers of Buso over Sanji.
True that.. But then again Zeus fried him.Not for simply having higher Buso layers than Sanji since his resistance comes from having the Exo-Skelton in conjunction with haki.
Although S-Shark seemingly didn't get burned with his flame-off from a diable jambe strike which should be attributed to his Lunarian blood, so King's natural heat resistance is decently high.
Killer and Kidd don't have any heat scaling, from what i can remember.True that.. But then again Zeus fried him.
Though iirc Zeus > DJ for injuring people like Killer and Kidd.
They would have fire resistance not electricity resistance, although based on what Zeus said it didn't work anyway.True that.. But then again Zeus fried him.
Though iirc Zeus > DJ for injuring people like Killer and Kidd.
Heat is heat regardless of the source, yk?They would have fire resistance not electricity resistance, although based on what Zeus said it didn't work anyway.
It seems that it did work just not enough to incapacitate him.. But considering he's a cyborg it makes sense electricity could do that to him.They would have fire resistance not electricity resistance, although based on what Zeus said it didn't work anyway.
Having electricity pass through your body is a bit different than getting hit by a flaming kick tho.Heat is heat regardless of the source, yk?
Their reaction to attacks aren't always accurate of damage since last chapter made it seem like Jinbe was hurt by Sanji's kick but in reality he was shown unharmed the next chapter, same thing happened with the Zeus strike.It seems that it did work just not enough to incapacitate him.. But considering he's a cyborg it makes sense electricity could do that to him.
It is but i thought we were discussing the heat scaling aspect of things, which is indeed the same.Having electricity pass through your body is a bit different than getting hit by a flaming kick tho.
In case you haven't seen this yet, i listed all the advantages each side has, with just the speed part having changed to equal rather than an advantage for any side.Not voting yet since I haven't read the rest of the thread, just giving my thoughts on some of the speed scaling points.
I don't think Sanji has superior speed, iirc Zoro was reacting to the Emperors somewhat and got blitzed by King.In case you haven't seen this yet, i listed all the advantages each side has, with just the speed part having changed to equal rather than an advantage for any side.
"Voting Sanji via higher heat potency as well as heat resistance, superior speed with Ifrit+Super Speed, regen, stamina, endurance, skill and better Kenbu.
In case anyone wants to hear King's advantages, it's overall higher AP (not everything is higher, even moreso if he stays in base form), higher dura, better flight and better buso."
There's only really a couple of things I really disagree with here, I might go in depth later on it and given an actual wincon for who I believe wins."Voting Sanji via higher heat potency as well as heat resistance, superior speed with Ifrit+Super Speed, regen, stamina, endurance, skill and better Kenbu.
In case anyone wants to hear King's advantages, it's overall higher AP (not everything is higher, even moreso if he stays in base form), higher dura, better flight and better buso."
It's a possibility but very unlikely since we've yet to see Sanji develop or bloom his haki throughout combat like Luffy and Zoro have; for the same reasons this isn't a factor in every OP match we would first need to see feats of Sanji doing this.Also, it seems we all forgot, but developing Haki mid fight is possible and giving Sanji has the lesser AD/Dura but the higher endurance and stamina, he may very well pull a Luffy and fight until his haki blossoms (be it his Kenbu or his Buso, any of them would give him the edge).
What do you mean by in character? That something that can happen with any haki user when they're under heavy pressure.Has he ever done that in character?
Not to mention it can easily apply to King.
Their speed is equal, i literally said that at the start.I don't think Sanji has superior speed, iirc Zoro was reacting to the Emperors somewhat and got blitzed by King.
They aren't and Kachon did a revision to correct that in his profile.Also Ifrit and Super Speed are the same thing, as in super speed is incorporated in it.
That CRT hasn't been approved yet.What do you mean by in character? That something that can happen with any haki user when they're under heavy pressure.
It won't apply as easily to him due to his stamina and endurance being much lower, and at their level to blossom haki took Luffy hours of a non stop fight with Kata.
Their speed is equal, i literally said that at the start.
They aren't and Kachon did a revision to correct that in his profile.
No?AP-wise, literally anything King has outside of his base form w/o a sword is above Sanji.
No one has actually debunked what he said... not like it's even possible to debunk something that is clearly stated, the blue flames (Ifrit) aren't created by his super speed, that's something he can add on top of them to create a barrage of attacks like did to finish Queen.That CRT hasn't been approved yet.
True, forgot about that one since we didn't really mention LS up to this point, but LS in this case isn't really helping him given his habit to throw those he holds flying (which isn't any different than just punching them flying).There's only really a couple of things I really disagree with here, I might go in depth later on it and given an actual wincon for who I believe wins.
As for advantages not listed, King would have superior Lifting Strength which he regularly takes advantage of in fights.
Are you joking? Haki blossoms aren't exclusive to Zoro and Luffy, that's a literal basic aspect of Haki as stated by Rayleigh himself, Zoro and Luffy do that all the time because they're near death all the time.It's a possibility but very unlikely since we've yet to see Sanji develop or bloom his haki throughout combat like Luffy and Zoro have; for the same reasons this isn't a factor in every OP match we would first need to see feats of Sanji doing this.
Would be more like this:Base Sanji = Base King < Buso Sword King ~ Full Zoan King ~ Hybrid King < Strongest fire attacks < Magma Fire
Only person he's really thrown is shinobu, otherwise he's used it to disarm opponent's and ensure attacks land.True, forgot about that one since we didn't really mention LS up to this point, but LS in this case isn't really helping him given his habit to throw those he holds flying (which isn't any different than just punching them flying).
Not joking, the only characters who have drastically had their haki bloom are them, like Sanji and others have all been close to death and nothing happened so assuming it will be a factor here isn't supported.Are you joking? Haki blossoms aren't exclusive to Zoro and Luffy, that's a literal basic aspect of Haki as stated by Rayleigh himself, Zoro and Luffy do that all the time because they're near death all the time.
I explicitly stated why I think Sanji wins. Heat.Arc and Deceived never listed the reasons they think Sanji wins, so until then their votes can't be counted going by the rules.
When has Sanji been in a 1v1 fight that really pushed him to evolve his Haki?Not joking, the only characters who have drastically had their haki bloom are them, like Sanji and others have all been close to death and nothing happened so assuming it will be a factor here isn't supported.
Going with this, the only things in his arsenal that are stronger than Ifrit+Super Speed would now be his best fire attacks and Magma fire, not really that concerning given those are easy to dodge.Would be more like this:
Base Sanji = Base King's physicals < King 1hand w/Sword < King 2hand w/Sword < Full Zoan/Hybrid King < Buso Sword King
I was also thinking of when he sent Zoro flying after the clash with Rengoku Onigiri and when he grabbed Sanji but used Zoan to meteor drop himOnly person he's really thrown is shinobu, otherwise he's used it to disarm opponent's and ensure attacks land.
Again, Luffy needed hours of non stop fighting to pull this up and Zoro had to go near death to pull this up, i am not saying haki blossoms are easy to pull off but they aren't exclusive to them and can be pulled here by Sanji give his stats would allow it.Not joking, the only characters who have drastically had their haki bloom are them, like Sanji and others have all been close to death and nothing happened so assuming it will be a factor here isn't supported.