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LoL's cosmology is low 1-C, potentially higher
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acausality has nothing to do with it. abstract existence does. she is a type 2 not a type 1 abstract. And yeah as Weekly said LoL cosmology has gone up yet again.Hl3 or bust said:You realize that Tiamat is a type 3 acausal over a 2-A range right. Ive heard that the LoL cosmology is about that large, so it should still work. Also, all servants can hit abstracts due to being able to hit Mara
the void cosumes multiple layers of existence which is 5-D.Hl3 or bust said:@Weekly scans if you please
@Rocker idek What your point is here. Mara is a type 2 nonexistent being, which is at least comparable to abstracts in terms of how hard they are to hit.
what other context they affect multiple layers of existence that is 5-D by definition.Hl3 or bust said:That really is not at all without a lot of further context
A type 2 nonexistent being lacks the concept of existence. I'm not talking about this in terms of AE, but a type 2 nonexistent should be comparable to a type 1 abstract
Pretty sure fate did have higher D stuff for this exact types of reasons also wasnt fate's rejected because of some contradictory info? and due to the nature of the moon cell and whatnot. this is not the case with LoL.Hl3 or bust said:@Rocker it isnt, otherwise Fate would be full of 1-C shit via it's layers. This simply is not enough.
Type 2 nonexistents are the lack of an abstraction. The lack of a body is considered harder to hit than a body, so by all rights type 2 nonexistents should be harder to hit than abstracts.
@Schro idk why that's listed as type 1, it was going to be type 2 but it got changed for some reason even though it fits it.
because they have contradictions like I said and due to the nature of the verse, and I dont see what other elaboration is needed over, consuming layers of existence. It honestly just sounds like stonewalling, if you have an issue with Fate's situation then make a CRT its not me that is stopping you.Hl3 or bust said:@Rocker Fate's layers have more elaboration than youve shown me, and still aren't applicable to the current higher-d standards afaik
You do realize that your body is part of you, and that when the concept of you doesnt exist, your body doesn't either, right
@Schro that has no bearing on whether or not she's a type 2 nonexistent
so they are are indeed using them I dont see what the problem is?Hl3 or bust said:@Rocker they don't afaik. The layers are occasionally mentioned and are apparently the reason that Avalon is supposed to be 6D. I also don't have an issue with the current ratings and I'm not stonewalling. If anything, you are by refusing to give further evidence of LoL' s layers beinf higher-d
It does have to do with tier, because wjhere they went to is targon a dimension that exists above the usual one. You can only get through it by climbing a ridiculusly large mountain and hoping you get accepted.Hl3 or bust said:@Rocker they don't afaik. The layers are occasionally mentioned and are apparently the reason that Avalon is supposed to be 6D. I also don't have an issue with the current ratings and I'm not stonewalling. If anything, you are by refusing to give further evidence of LoL' s layers beinf higher-d
That has nothing to do with tiering and is just immeasurable speed
Dont think anyone said Kindred is 1-A, I am not arguing even close to that. Also no Hassan has not been able to do thatMoritzva said:I have not heard of 1-A Nasuverse anytime recently, but
I still see logistical problems with putting the concept of death, on the concept of death. Like, how is that even suppose to work? Obviously Kindred isn't 1-A but I fundamentally don't get what that's suppose to do. If Hassan has put the concept of death on the concept of death before (which is a very, very Nasu-thing to do) then sure, but otherwise that's still kinda ridiculous.
If we can conclusively agree that Fate's concept of death is significantly stronger than Kindred's, though, then sure. So, what's the backup for this 1-A claim?
Also, no, Kindred is definitely not 1-A that's even more ridiculous.
Moritzva said:There was a short stint above claiming stuff regarding verse equalization, and some people took it out of context. I don't believe anyone is claiming it, and if they are, they are wrong.
But yes, if their concepts of death are equal, it 100% will not work on Kindred.
The MEoDP can kill someone so hard that they cannot return to Akasha, which is still far above anything ive seen for the LoL cosmology so farSchroKatze said:The concept of death isn't stronger in Nasu, it isn't 1-A or etc. The type 2 NEP is being debated and isn't even accepted at the moment too, so drop it.
Kindred also lacks a body, and every death is them. Really, they are the event of "death" happening. The very concept. Unless KH can kill what even allows him to kill something, he can't kill Kindred.
They did not time travel or use speed they went to mount targon(the summit), and viewed the world from there which is part of where the 4D comes from.Hl3 or bust said:@Rocker
- i'd like some scans foor Targon being 4D. Also going back to see the birth of the universe is either time travel or speed, ir has nothing to do with tiers
- scans
- unless those worlds have more elaboration its 4D at best
so he is going to use the concept of death to kill the concept of death? That makes no sense, like it literally cant work because he would lose the concept of death meaning he cant kill the concept of death.Hl3 or bust said:None of that matters. Hassan is not trying to force Kindred onto Kindred. Killing concepts is enough to affect Kindred
We didMoritzva said:I just realized, nobody did Kindred vs Yogiri.
...back on the thread, could you elaborate a bit on Akasha? How is it far above, and how much?
honestly akasha does not matter since hassan is not related to MEoDP.Moritzva said:I just realized, nobody did Kindred vs Yogiri.
...back on the thread, could you elaborate a bit on Akasha? How is it far above, and how much?