6-C Tournament "Journey Through Ride of Mystery and Supernatural Power" Round 1 - Match 4: Ban vs Gilgamesh (Caster)

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

ALTERNATIVE TITLE: THE IMMORTALIY PROBLEMATICAL​

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One other side of the planet, around Africa....in the world's largest desert, the King of Heroes Walked around the Desert
"How imbecile" the King said, "I, the King of Uruk, transported to this desert of outta nowhere and forced to walk like this? Even if he's a mysterious entity I, the King of Uruk wouldn't forgive this!"
Many hours of walking and rambling/ranting/roasting about the mysterious entity, he realize that there is someone who walked toward him
Finally, looks like this is the enemy that he need to defeat, and so Gil take out his tablet and axe
And soon they faced each other...
The man just stood there and stared at Gil
"King of Heroes, right?" He said
"Of course i am, the great king of Uruk the first heroes that walked on this planet!"
The man then just chuckled "I heard your legend....from your glory to the quest searching the immortality"
"And i know you...the criminal that caused the destruction of Fairy Forest and obtained the immortality....how lucky you are"
The man laughed "Yeah...but now i don't have the immortality anymore"
The King seems surprised, he then asked "How did you lost your immortality, criminal?"
"Long story..." As he said that, he went to his fighting stance "but i doubt you want to heard it by just standing there? How about to heard the story with this fists going to pummel you around, King of Heroes?"
"What a challenge" he smirked "Try it as you can then!"

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• Post-Purgatory Ban is used
• Speed are equalized
• Both are in-characters
• Place located in: Sahara Desert
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• Starting Range: 10 Meters
• Win via anything!!
• Fox Sin of Greed: 0
• Wise King of Heroes: 0
• Inconclusive: 0

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VS

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[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Realize that i forgot to change it to article format

 

[Jackpact]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Gil surprisingly doesn't resist snatch, but that doesn't matter much since Gil main attack is magecraft and with precog, he would likely choose to stay at range to fight him. Now what does Ban scale to? Since there are 3 level of 6C and i don't know which one he scale to.

Edit: Gil too since there are 2 6C for Gil.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Gil scaled to 26 GT, dunno for Ban

 

[Jackpact]

Hm, i don't know, Ban previously have immortality that compliment his physical theft, now that he doesn't it wouldn't take long before he is completely fatigued and Gil would likely saw that and bait Ban that way. Problem is that Gil would need to survive the time when his physical stats is stolen since he doesn't have much in mobility as far as i see in the profile so Gil could also potentialy be unable to escape and get killed by a now physically superior Ban but if he want, he could ensure mutual kill by melamu both of them. So I'll wait for further argument before casting vote.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

How does CastGil summoning work? Also, does he use it in character, and could he possibly use it to summon himself in his Archer Form?

 

[Jamesthetaker]

How does CastGil summoning work? Also, does he use it in character, and could he possibly use it to summon himself in his Archer Form?

He can summons seven Heroic Spirits (eight if you count Merlin too) but the exact method he did is unknown and likely non combat-applicable.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I vaguely remember that the Bablyon Chapter had Gilgamesh "revive" himself via summoning himself in his Archer, but, I assume the vague context behind it means that it isn't really a debatable factor, huh?

Next question: would Gil's precog allow him to figure out what Ban does, and the best thing to do is stay the fuck away from him at all cost? Am pretty sure that this Gil doesn't have access to that weird ass spacecraft that Archer Gil has, so Fanta thinks, it'll be a tall order for Gil to constantly stay out of Ban's range.

 

[Jackpact]

Pretty sure he have it and it's always on, he restrict and actively ignore it as an archer even when he actively use it to it fullest extent, Caster Gil tho abuse the NP in order to make all of his move in the Babylon chapter so he will definitely use it here. Don't know about how it would work tho, gotta have to ask supporter for that. Even then, it would still be a tall order for Gil to try and get away since he's in Ban theft range (both of them) so he need to act quickly before Ban decide to steal his physical stat and beat Gil physically.

 

[Jibz]

You know i fuckin knew id get matched with gil kek

 

[Aether_]

I am sure ban would be scale from 75.6 - 100 gigatons for comparable to 50% demon king
And yeah

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I am sure ban would be scale from 75.6 - 100 gigatons for comparable to 50% demon king
And yeah

Wait, thats literally break the AP limit of this tourney

 

[Aether_]

Wait, thats literally break the AP limit of this tourney

Why, btw since it only 6-C in his profile that mean he only scale to 75.6 gigatons

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Why, btw since it only 6-C in his profile that mean he only scale to 75.6 gigatons

The AP limit of this tourney are above 5+ ~ 10 GT to 65 GT
Or by you mean that he was downscaled from Demon King?

 

[Aether_]

The AP limit of this tourney are above 5+ ~ 10 GT to 65 GT
Or by you mean that he was downscaled from Demon King?

Idk exactly, he was comparable to demon king meliodas when he come out from purgatory, but only 6-C in his profile that mean he only scale to 75.6 gigatons

 

[Jibz]

Didnt we have someone double check my character. I could have sworn he was 65 gigs

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Didnt we have someone double check my character. I could have sworn he was 65 gigs

Really? Hmmm...

 

[Nicetoderp]

Bump

 

[Nierre]

bad timing for speedster being banned from vs threads

 

[Nicetoderp]

Guess he really got himself Ban-ned huh.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Guess he really got himself Ban-ned huh.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Even before that, me alongside Pop agreed to prohibited Speedster to participate in this tourney

 

[Nicetoderp]

Do we have a post for Ban AP btw

 

[Smashtwig]

Yo wanna see me say something funny

Gil wins because he's a fate char

Woah funny

 

[Jibz]

Could we get some of the people who checked the profile to confirm the attack potency cuz now im feeling they half assed that shiz

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@ByAsura Can help

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Where is everyone getting the idea that the current Ban profile scales to 75 to 100 Gigatons?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So @ByAsura said that Ban scaled to between 25 and 75 GT

 

[Jibz]

I see, if my character is to be disqualified due to that, i have no qualms on the matter.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well shit, anticlimatic moment lel

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So @ByAsura said that Ban scaled to between 25 and 75 GT

I don't think that's right as currently Ban's profile says "At Least 6-C, possibly Higher".

It doesn't say "6-C+" nor "At Least 6-C+".

6-C+ starts at 52.15 Gigatons.

In other words Ban just scales far far above the 25 Gigaton value.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Thank f***, guess we can continue the match now

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So what's Gil's scaling chain?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

All servants are scaled to 26 GT and it depend on their Strength tier
CasGil Strength is C so his AP is around 26 GT

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So just 26 Gigatons? No more no less?

 

[Jibz]

I don't think that's right as currently Ban's profile says "At Least 6-C, possibly Higher".

It doesn't say "6-C+" nor "At Least 6-C+".

6-C+ starts at 52.15 Gigatons.

In other words Ban just scales far far above the 25 Gigaton value.

so an unquantifiable upscale? Based. Glad im not going out off the bat in such a lame way.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

so an unquantifiable upscale? Based. Glad im not going out off the bat in such a lame way.

Reading the profiles this is what I got.

Original Demon (Where the 25 Gigatons Starts) < True Body Ludoshel < Crisis Amp OG Demon < Mael < Afternoon Mael < DK possessing Meliodas ~ Post Purgatory Ban/Meliodas

 

[Jibz]

That's one sexy scale chain when compared to Gil's ap. So Ban has:

Superior AP
Superior LS
Superior Range
And the stamina superiority is arguable so ill presume they are relative in that regard.

What's Gil's solution to Durab neg, invisibility (albiet not in character to use at the start of the fight), and both statistic reduction and amplification.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gil probably SNIs all that shit and decides to throw lots, and I do mean lots of lightning and shit. while also doing things like raising the earth and being the dodge god he is.

 

[Jibz]

SNI

what on earth is that? Supernatural Luck?

 

[DaReaperMan]

what on earth is that? Supernatural Luck?

Info Analysis that gives Gil the full rundown of his opponent's capabilities passively.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

A very busted precog/clairvoyance
Lucky for you, Gil is very prideful so he'll never listen to SNI most of the time, at least for his main class version/Archer
CasGil is more wiser than his Archer version tho i recall the also not listening to SNI albeit not much

 

[DaReaperMan]

A very busted precog/clairvoyance
Lucky for you, Gil is very prideful so he'll never listen to SNI most of the time, at least for his main class version/Archer
CasGil is more wiser than his Archer version tho i recall the also not listening to SNI albeit not much

CasGil doesn't have it's actual precog on very much and such

 

[Jibz]

Info Analysis that gives Gil the full rundown of his opponent's capabilities passively.

Was gunna ask if he uses the info in character, but Vel has kindly given an answer to that already.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Was gunna ask if he uses the info in character, but Vel has kindly given an answer to that already.

I mean considering Ban can insta-gib Gil at practically any time yeah, he's gonna be very serious immediately cause He's gonna listen when SNI tells him this insane lookin motha fucka whos called the "Fox sin of greed" can one-shot his ass at any time

 

[DaReaperMan]

and if Gil's feeling really snazzy he can drop Melammu Dingir on Ban which is just like the animation is so.

 

[Jibz]

I mean considering Ban can insta-gib Gil at practically any time yeah, he's gonna be very serious immediately cause He's gonna listen when SNI tells him this insane lookin motha fucka whos called the "Fox sin of greed" can one-shot his ass at any time

iirc Gil thinks he's always the strongest and smartest in the room (right?), so does he has any showings of using his own judgement rather then SNI due to presuming he knows best? Kind of a long shot/reach, but i might aswell cross off my options ya know.

 

[DaReaperMan]

iirc Gil thinks he's always the strongest and smartest in the room (right?), so does he has any showings of using his own judgement rather then SNI due to presuming he knows best? Kind of a long shot/reach, but i might aswell cross off my options ya know.

Caster Gilgamesh is nowhere as much of an arrogant dickhead as his archer counterpart, and even his Archer counterpart would listen to SNI when it tells him Ban can just teleport his heart or brain out of him at any time so

 

[Jibz]

Caster Gilgamesh is nowhere as much of an arrogant dickhead as his archer counterpart, and even his Archer counterpart would listen to SNI when it tells him Ban can just teleport his heart or brain out of him at any time so

thats fair, so he knows the full rundown of Ban. What's his next move?

 

[DaReaperMan]

thats fair, so he knows the full rundown of Ban. What's his next move?

summon portals with staffs and blast shit like Lightning, fire, and energy beams at Ban while making sure to not get hit with his "Can dodge god someone who literally solo'd Saberlot and won" dodging. and did i mention Ban can't resist the magic.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bombarded Ban with Gate of Babylon and launch his NP
Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Jibz]

while making sure to not get hit with his "Can dodge god someone who literally solo'd Saberlot and won" dodging.

uh can i have more clarification here? Are you trying to say he'll be dodging all of Ban's attacks. Via what notion?

 

[DaReaperMan]

uh can i have more clarification here? Are you trying to say he'll be dodging all of Ban's attacks. Via what notion?

Via dodge-goding someone way, way, WAY more skilled than Ban. to the point where the only times Gil ever got hit in Babylon was when he was casual and when he literally decided to get hit to save Ritsuka.

 

[Jibz]

Via dodge-goding someone way, way, WAY more skilled than Ban. to the point where the only times Gil ever got hit in Babylon was when he was casual and when he literally decided to get hit to save Ritsuka.

Im presuming Gil and that person were either relative, or the person in question was faster then Gil.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Im presuming Gil and that person were either relative, or the person in question was faster then Gil.

Gil and mash were definitly Relative... and Saberlot faster than Mash.

 

[Jibz]

Gil and mash were definitly Relative... and Saberlot faster than Mash.

So Gil was dodging attacks from Saberlot and Mash? Wouldn't that just make them relative to Saberlot or....

 

[Jackpact]

How much does snatch and Hunt fest stole from Gil? And I'm running on the assumption that it steal ap, dura and speed. Cause that could render Precog pretty moot since the distance isn't really that far and Ban already seem to have slight upperhand in ap due to a good scaling chain.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So Gil was dodging attacks from Saberlot and Mash? Wouldn't that just make them relative to Saberlot or....

sigh. Mash solo took down Saberlot in Camelot and Gil dodge-goded Mash in Babylonia.

 

[Jibz]

sigh. Mash solo took down Saberlot in Camelot and Gil dodge-goded Mash in Babylonia.

Ah thank you, the way you described it prior was very confusing. I see, so where the attacks from Mash "an ability that enables its wielders to "rob" physical objects and the abilities of other creatures, without making any actual or direct contact, because it is an intangible attack" or even comparable? And has it come from a source that's invisible. If not i dont really see how it can be comparable.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ah thank you, the way you described it prior was very confusing. I see, so where the attacks from Mash "an ability that enables its wielders to "rob" physical objects and the abilities of other creatures, without making any actual or direct contact, because it is an intangible attack" or even comparable? And has it come from a source that's invisible. If not i dont really see how it can be comparable.

Considering Gil can literally detect people who are so damn invisible that even other individuals who can sense servants who are in spirit form and such can't detect them, yeah, I'd say he can dodge that.

 

[Jibz]

Considering Gil can literally detect people who are so damn invisible that even other individuals who can sense servants who are in spirit form and such can't detect them, yeah, I'd say he can dodge that.

Uh are these people actually invisible, or just very hard to detect? Because being able to detect beings who are undetectable to beings who can detect people in spirit form, doesn't necessarily equate to being able to detect invisibility.

Also i don't really see how Gil being able to dodge attacks from people more skilled then Ban, means he can insta dodge all of Ban's attacks? Ban and him have equalized speed, so Ban's attack speed is = to Gil's perception and combat speed, so unless Gil dodged via some form of hax, Ban bombarding Gil with either AP or Snatch would hit him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Uh are these people actually invisible, or just very hard to detect? Because being able to detect beings who are undetectable to beings who can detect people in spirit form, doesn't necessarily equate to being able to detect invisibility.

Also i don't really see how Gil being able to dodge attacks from people more skilled then Ban, means he can insta dodge all of Ban's attacks? Ban and him have equalized speed, so Ban's attack speed is = to Gil's perception and combat speed, so unless Gil dodged via some form of hax, Ban bombarding Gil with either AP or Snatch would hit him.

Completely invisible. Jack's Presence concealment even moreso.

Oh really, does Ban hit him before he's been baked by lighting repeatedly like a rotisserie chicken?

 

[Jackpact]

Can you even dodge Snatch? Also Presence concealment of rank C or B is basically invisible, A+ is even more so.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can you even dodge Snatch? Also Presence concealment of rank C or B is basically invisible, A+ is even more so.

Yeah if Snatch is IC enough this is a stomp and Ban should frankly be removed from the tournament for being capable of insta-gibbing everyone lmao

 

[Jibz]

Oh really, does Ban hit him before he's been baked by lighting repeatedly like a rotisserie chicken?

Can Gil hit him before he gets weakened by Snatch? Because afaik, he really shouldn't be able to dodge snatch.

 

[Jackpact]

Yeah if Snatch is IC enough this is a stomp and Ban should frankly be removed from the tournament for being capable of insta-gibbing everyone lmao

So Shuten Debone but worse since it's actually IC for him to use eventually :'v.

 

[Jackpact]

So is it IC for Ban to just kill someone with Snatch if he can or does he prefer to fight first than snatch heart?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can Gil hit him before he gets weakened by Snatch? Because afaik, he really shouldn't be able to dodge snatch.

Weakened or killed, cause weaken invisi attack is very dodgeable. Stealing organs instantly however is completely tournament-removal worthy

 

[Jibz]

So is it IC for Ban to just kill someone with Snatch if he can or does he prefer to fight first than snatch heart?

I'm not too sure, but he's done it right at the start of the battle in the manga before. So sure? Id like to get more clarification from other NNT fans though.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm not too sure, but he's done it right at the start of the battle in the manga before. So sure? Id like to get more clarification from other NNT fans though.

 

[Jibz]

highkey take it with a grain of salt because i havent read NNT in a while. But i do remember him doing it whilst running with Meliodas in the last arc.

 

[Jackpact]

Anyway, seem like the match is decided base on what other supporter say about Snatch and this key IC move basically, if he snatch heart first then rip his qualification, if not, i would like to ask whether physical theft and hunt fest apart of snatch or separate, cause 3 full physical stat steal (or even 2 really) kinda render precog useless and most of Gil attack isn't new to Ban (nor does it activate instantly and require more time than 1 hunt fes).

 

[Jibz]

i would like to ask whether physical theft and hunt fest apart of snatch or separate, cause 3 full physical stat steal (or even 2 really)

clarify

 

[Jackpact]

All of the technique that Ban use is below Snatch and with a format that make it look like it's apart of the ability (Snatch more detailed application basically) and not separate, if it's apart of snatch then it would only be Hunt fes and physical theft, if it's not then Snatch itself would join in as a 3rd stat steal.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Can you reorganize what you're saying? It's kinda hard to understand.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Can you reorganize what you're saying? It's kinda hard to understand.

About Ban's Snatch?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

About Ban's Snatch?

I know how Ban's Snatch works, I'm asking them to reorganize their question since it's hard to read.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[Jackpact]

Well grammar isn't my strong suit. I'm asking if physical theft and hunter fes just applications of Snatch or are they separate abilities from it.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

From what the profile says and what the NNT says, they're both under Snatch same way that Escarnor's transformations and Cruel Sun are under Sunshine.

 

[Smashtwig]

I'm quite sure that Ban actually starts with Stealing your heart or your brain, etc. right away. But Gil should resist it right because Servant Phiso?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm quite sure that Ban actually starts with Stealing your heart or your brain, etc. right away. But Gil should resist it right because Servant Phiso?

Unless it can be equalized to magic, nope. But remove Ban from the tourney due to that anyway!

 

[Smashtwig]

Wait his Stealing isn't magic?


I mean since it's Fate/ I'm pretty sure magic in Fateverse has multiple definitions and one of them can just be attributed to Ban's thing but... aight bet

 

[Jackpact]

Even if it's, due to the setting of the match that Velox forced, he would be able to bypass servant invul to spell and magic that doesn't have enough mystery and Servant resisteance catalogue doesn't have the stuff that Ban do so rip either way, Ban should get disqualified then since insta kill 90% of the tourney as an in character move is definitely Ban-able (badum-tss).

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Guess Gil would move on to the round 2 while Ban get disqualified

 

[Smashtwig]

Even if it's, due to the setting of the match that Velox forced, he would be able to bypass servant invul to spell and magic that doesn't have enough mystery and Servant resisteance catalogue doesn't have the stuff that Ban do so rip either way, Ban should get disqualified then since insta kill 90% of the tourney as an in character move is definitely Ban-able (badum-tss).

wait the place a fight takes in actually negs mystery invul? crazy

 

[Jackpact]

Well yes and no. If the place have some specific law that make all magic equal and mystery doesn't exist than mystery invul also don't exist and their power take a plummet. The specific that Velox make is that all the participant here are mysterious fantasy characters that fight each other, which allow all participant to be able to bypass invul due to them having enough mystery to do so.