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Didn't that do nothing for him? Iirc it was his training with Korin that made him faster and stronger, not the water.
Yeah it didn't but that post training goku fought grandpa gohan and got far stronger by the 22nd budokai soo🤷‍♀️
 
Definitely, but I don't think that would make him as strong as his Oozaru self from the 21st Budokai, he would just scale far higher than before.
Fair but I'm sure there are some statements that Goku is many times stronger in the 22nd budokai which could give a chance at 8-B🗿
 
Fair but I'm sure there are some statements that Goku is many times stronger in the 22nd budokai which could give a chance at 8-B🗿
I hope, there's probably multiple statements of characters becoming multiple times stronger scattered throughout the story, it's just that the readers tend to not take them seriously or gloss over them in their read throughs.

I might have to give the series a read through to look for them lol.
 
I hope, there's probably multiple statements of characters becoming multiple times stronger scattered throughout the story, it's just that the readers tend to not take them seriously or gloss over them in their read throughs.

I might have to give the series a read through to look for them lol.
There are plenty of them tbh
 
So 8-C pilaf saga goku at 0.4 tons for the great ape multiplier stuff and 8-B 21st Budokai great ape being at 40s tons


If we can find statements that Goku got many fold or many times stronger then we can potentially have 8-B 22nd Budokai Goku if they're consistent and present enough
 
Looking at the feat here, are we sure that the Pilaf gang didn't just jump out of the plane before it crashed.

That definitely is what debunks at least this feat from being usable

Also, is Goku able to hurt the Pilaf gang? We don't really see that happening
 
Looking at the feat here, are we sure that the Pilaf gang didn't just jump out of the plane before it crashed.

That definitely is what debunks at least this feat from being usable

Also, is Goku able to hurt the Pilaf gang? We don't really see that happening
Lmfao excuse me what? That would certainly be headcanon to assume that as even in the anime which we use as supplementary material it shows that for each of those they're in the vehicles when they crash and straight up tank the impact and there's literally no implication that they jumped even considering their radius from the crash they'd still get caught in the blast
 
I can get for the first one, but not so much for the second one
We don't see any indication that Goku had walked away from the crash for the second one, and looking at the panel the crash is quite far away from where Goku is, I personally thought he passed out because he froze
 
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I can get for the first one, but not so much for the second one
We don't see any indication that Goku had walked away from the crash for the second one, and looking at the panel the crash is quite far away from where Goku is, I personally thought he passed out because I froze
Saying he clearly jumped out is very disingenuous and ignores what straight up is presented here and in the anime and its not even remotely implied he does so, as that's your headcanon.

If you want to see that there as well the episode number is 34 at 19:45

And besides that a blast that's 74m wide would surely send you some distance away if they were at the center of it even then he can be blown up and freeze and both wouldn't be mutually exclusive.

The wiki for the episode this happens in describes it as this:

"Meanwhile, the robot systems crash due to the cold of the northern mountains and crashes the plane. Goku freezes, then a mysterious girl drags him home only a few minutes before General White's men arrive."

And the chapter describes it like this:

"A cold Goku then crash lands after the robot malfunctions due to the icy conditions. While this catches the attention of the Red Ribbon Army, a young girl drags Goku from the snow."

So while you're not wrong about Goku freezing, he certainly does tank the crash landing and in nothing has any indication of jumping out whether it be the manga or anime
 
To double down on top of it as well when asked what happened in the next chapter when he wakes up Goku literally says "I was looking for these things called Dragon Balls when my plane fell out of the sky." At no point does me mention having to jump out before or that he almost had some sorta close call or anything of the sort. He was in the plane it crashed and exploded throwing him into the snow where he froze. That's literally the entire turn of events.
 
And besides that a blast that's 74m wide would surely send you some distance away if they were at the center of it even then he can be blown up and freeze and both wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
I did some ang scaling, looks like the crash is either 5 meters away (using the wreakage length) or 75 m away (using one of the trees and assuming it's the same distance as the wreckage). It's really hard to tell

High balling the tree's height puts the distance at 227 m
 
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